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    While long it is worth watching to the end thanks for posting he was a force of nature


    • #3
      Very interesting video. Notice that Gardiner has the orchestra standing - quite unusual for Beethoven (maybe they did in Beethoven's time). Also Gardiner's theory is very interesting - definitely not the standard interpretation of the 5th. Larry
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        I’m not surprised that Gardiner takes this piece at a very fast tempo. He does so and has with everything, He’s not speaking for Beethoven. He’s speaking for himself. Maybe he thinks it adds excitement and sells recordings. Sorry I’m not a fan. Excellent group of musicians but I wouldn’t buy the interpretation as accurate to the period.
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        • JCOConnell
          JCOConnell commented
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          i would like to hear the first and fourth movt fast, the second movt slow, and the third movt medium speed.

        • Miniguy
          Miniguy commented
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          Matthew Guerrieri in his book, “The First Four Notes: Beethoven's Fifth and the Human Imagination”, addresses the issue of metronome marking. The metronome was an invention of Beethoven's day; he didn't have access to it when he was writing his early symphonies. But later, he came into contact with it and loved the device. "He immediately buys one and sits down and starts going back over all his old scores and putting in metronome markings," Guerrieri says. "And he picked a tempo for the Fifth Symphony that even today sounds really, astonishingly fast."
          The setting he chose was 108 beats per minute — so fast, so hard to play, Guerrieri says, that people have been theorizing for centuries about why Beethoven might have mismarked his own symphony. A broken metronome? Advancing deafness? Nobody knows.

        • 1morerecord2clean
          1morerecord2clean commented
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          I just went to Wikipedia and found the metronome, or some version of it and it’s use, dates back to the Greeks. In actual practice, it’s use is mostly in the practice room where many etude books written to flog players into gaining technical facility without slowing in difficult passages include metronomic markings. I have never encountered a conductor who carries a metronome to the podium. While they may have used one at home preparing the score, once they get to rehearsal they simply conduct based on what they want to happen musically. Of course rehearsal goes out the window when it’s time for the performance and the conductor is himself nervous and speeds through the first movement. Only other thing I’ll mention is what dictates andante being 72 bpm to 100 bpm? Who apportioned those metronomic markings to musical language markings? Is 120 bpm allegro? Is it molto Allegro? I don’t know the answers. I’m a player not a musicologist. Anyway, I think it’s all variable. Some conductors rush the score and some take very slow liberties. Impossible to say what any composer intended prior to recordings.