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  • #16
    This morning I won another Columbia SAX series record: SAX 2264 Brahms: Double Concerto - David Oistrakh / Fournier....supposedly like new surface for less than $300.00.
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    • MylesBAstor
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      Fournier is certainly one of the all time greats.

  • #17
    Originally posted by rockitman View Post
    Click image for larger version Name:	 Views:	2 Size:	234.8 KB ID:	39603Click image for larger version Name:	 Views:	2 Size:	464.0 KB ID:	39604 I listened to my first exotic Columbia Blue/Gold 33CX mono record catalog#1415. While this record was listed as NM, NM to me means zero marks. Side A Devil's Trill, 13 light ticks with diminishing intensity at the start of side A. The rest of side A is perfect. Side B has about 15 total light ticks throughout the side. The recording is phenomenal....It feels and sounds like a direct Stradivarius feed...like the mic is in the violin itself. The tone is rich, resonant and in your face. Piano has a lovely background sound and shows the hall ambience quite well. Although the record is NM-, imo...not NM, it is still a treasure and I don't regret the price paid.
    your description sounds like NM to me. If it didn't have the ticks it would be MINT. not NM.
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    • #18
      Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post

      your description sounds like NM to me. If it didn't have the ticks it would be MINT. not NM.
      NO! NM means zero audible ticks and no visible imperfections, such as scuff marks, blemishes, spindle marks, IMO, Christian's grade of NM- for the vinyl is accurate. The condition of the cover will also alter the grade.
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      • #19
        Originally posted by Johnny Vinyl View Post

        NO! NM means zero audible ticks and no visible imperfections, such as scuff marks, blemishes, spindle marks, IMO, Christian's grade of NM- for the vinyl is accurate. The condition of the cover will also alter the grade.
        I respectfully disagree. A record with no audible or visual imperfections is MINT. That high condition is quite rare. the sleeve is graded separately.
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        • Johnny Vinyl
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          MINT equals 1) Sealed or 2) has never been played.

      • #20
        Some crazy auctions...
        http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bach-Mozart-...8AAOSwNnRYfEXm

        http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leclair-Ysay...AAAOSwUKxYfEMi


        http://www.ebay.com/itm/Carmen-Fanta...wAAOSwUKxYfDt~

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        • banditcat200
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          This seller makes some of the highest prices for quality records on ebay, he knows his records, in short he is making good business.
          I would like to know his sources where he buys his records in the UK.
          Take a look from his sold listings from ebay, only one word covers, wow.

          http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item=...ouse-uk&_sop=3

        • astrotoy
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          I never have heard of this dealer before. I don't buy much on ebay, but he has a bunch of ultra rare and pricey stuff. The only other UK based dealer who has stuff like this is Dave Parsons, classicalvinyl.com, whom I've bought from for many years. I usually visit him on my annual sojourns to London. Right now Dave only has one album over 1000GBP, but several in the 500GBP range. Lots of his SAX albums are less than 100GBP. Dave is also one of the principals of the Electric Recording Company, which is doing very expensive reissues of some of the rarest EMI's.

          Larry

        • rockitman
          rockitman commented
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          Good info Larry. Thanks ! My chances of getting Gioconda De Vito Bach-Mozart look very grim indeed.

          auction history: http://www.popsike.com/php/quicksear...tos+&x=10&y=11

          I listened to your Japan angel version which I believe is mono ? It sounded very good. Made me want the ASD original.

      • #21
        even if a seller has a "mint" record for sale, they will rarely list it as mint to avoid disappointment and cause disputes.
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        • #22
          I don't know about you guys but I have both MINT and NM records, they are not the same thing.
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          • #23
            Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post
            I don't know about you guys but I have both MINT and NM records, they are not the same thing.
            I don't buy anything less than NM or Mint.
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            • #24
              I saw on ebay that the same seller has a box of 4 Kogan records which are German reissues, including what look like the contents of SAX2531, the second on the list. Current price is 22GBP, nice alternative to the current zillion dollar price of the original. Don't think this box ever was issued by EMI in the UK.

              There are often alternative pressings of these ultra expensive records - a nice way to here what the fuss is about, without selling your first born, or missing a mortgage or college tuition payment.There is a Warner Bros (who own EMI Classical) 15 CD box of Kogan for $83 on Amazon. It contains all of the super crazy expensive albums which were first issued on EMI Columbia SAX. EMI reissued several of those (Brahms, Beethoven Violin Concerti) on their SXLP or CfP series in the '70's - which you can buy for a few bucks.

              I have both the first and third albums in alternate forms.

              The first album by Gioconda De Vito I have in a big Japanese issued box set of 10 recordings by De Vito, including a mix of mono and stereo. I also have the Testament reissue which I bought new for around $30. De Vito has a mixed reputation - she was highly regarded before WWII but did not play much after the mid '50's. She married to EMI executive David Bicknell, which probably explains her recordings with that label. I have to go back and listen to this album.

              I have the third album in a London pressing, issued in parallel with the Decca release. However, the album was pretty popular and I have a later pressings. Ricci was a very well respected violinist. He was from San Francisco and actually had the same violin teacher as Yehudi Menuhin who was also from SF. His name was actually Woodrow Wilson Rich. (His brother was named George Washington Rich). He went to a more Italian sounding name (his parents were from Italy, but obviously very patriotic Americans) to benefit his burgeoning career which last some 70 years.

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              • #25
                Click image for larger version  Name:	 Views:	1 Size:	184.9 KB ID:	40790Click image for larger version  Name:	 Views:	1 Size:	324.3 KB ID:	40791 So I ended up returning this $700 Oistrakh Beethoven Violin Concerto D Columbia SAX series record. The left channel was compromised with a swooshing phasey/hissy background noise that overpowered the music when not in full tuttis. I enjoyed my $20 Angel copy better. In fact it was that record that motivated me to seek out the real deal. I can only attribute the left channel issue as inner groove damage from an old record player back in the day not properly aligned, ect. The record looked mint visually (no marks) The extra return money allowed me to make an all out assault on ASD 493 *WHITE/GOLD* SCHURICHT* BRUCKNER SYMPHONY NO.9* VIENNA PHILHARMONIC recently up on the block. I succeeded ! I should get it by the end of this week.
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                • JCOConnell
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                  good move on returning the noisy record. It sucks having to return stuff but you paid good money and don't deserve a defective disc.

                • MylesBAstor
                  MylesBAstor commented
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                  I've encountered that sort of groove damage on records once in a while. I always wondered if that groove damage was caused by playing a stereo record with a mono cartridge?

                • fcrowder
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                  For what it's worth, I have experienced exactly the same problem on a copy of this record. Unfortunately, I was not smart enough to send it back. I have definitely heard copies that do not have the problem so it is not a pressing problem.

              • #26
                Things are heating up on this auction...
                http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?isRef...edirect=mobile
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                • astrotoy
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                  This is crazy. I have copies of several of the records, no originals of the top three, but I do have #4, the Milstein Beethoven Violin Concerto in original Silver/Blue label. I just checked my data base and I paid 34GBP for it. I thought it was a reasonable price - not a great bargain at the time.

                  One record toward the bottom , the Oistrakh Decca SXL6025 with the Hindemith and Bruch Violin pieces is a third label. Description just says it is wide band - but it has no groove. The first pressing wide band groove, with "Original recording" around the edge of the label goes for 1000-1500GBP and more. Second pressing is also wide band groove with "Made in England" around the edge. It should go for about 500GBP. So it looks like the bidders so far know what they are doing. Fortunately, Tape Project released this in its first series, when their master tape copies were less than $200 for the two reels.

                  Larry

                • MylesBAstor
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                  I have the Tape Project release and a Decca Ace of Diamonds. I would pick up the Ace of Diamonds issue for the right money. Little less ambience, not as rich eg. Little solid-state sounding but not a bad later pressing.

              • #27
                I missed that tape project release unfortunately.

                This ERC looks interesting....a heck of a lot cheaper than an original. https://electricrecordingco.com/rele...or-two-violins
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                • #28
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                  I settled for ordering the Testament reissue to see what all the fuss is about with this record.
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                    JANOS STARKER / BACH cello suites nos 1 & 3, 33CX 1656
                    JANOS STARKER / BACH cello suites nos 2 & 5, 33CX 1515
                    JANOS STARKER / BACH cello suites nos 4 & 6, 33CX 1745

                    why do suites 4&6 (33CX 1745) command almost double the price at auction according to popsike ?
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                    • JCOConnell
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                      rarer?

                    • rockitman
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                      you would think in theory there were equal numbers produced for each title.
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