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    Placed two orders today, first time buying through Discogs. First order went through fine, second one, simply said "the seller will contact you with details." Is this normal? The seller has a 98.7 % positive on 3600 reviews, so I figure he's legit.
    Steve Lefkowicz
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  • #2
    It is normal for the seller to contact you for payment. Good sellers will do everything they can to maintain a high positive rating.
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    • #3
      As long as they don't overrate the quality. Stopped buying on ebay as I got sick of noisy "NM" rated records.
      Steve Lefkowicz
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      • #4
        Steve, I recently purchased an LP on Discogs where the seller had to contact me later for payment (confirm shipping charges from UK to US). Sent invoice, I paid, and now I have a tracking number. Should be fine.

        I've only made 3 purchases on Discogs myself, but all have been with B&M sellers and all good thus far.
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        • #5
          I've had grading issues with Discogs as well, although less issues than eBay. I would try to verify with the seller before ordering that the NM records have no light marks, hairlines or scuffs when viewed in the light. I ask that question all the time, few sellers seem to understand what a near mint grading means.

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          • #6
            like others have said some purchases require the seller to send you an invoice (usually outside the US) other transactions are calculated immediately upon check out. I lost count but i've probably purchased 200+ records off discogs, maybe 15-20 or so went afoul where the seller overstated the condition. I've been able to work it out with them on most, on those fairly inexpensive ones I took it on the chin.

            record grading for anything under say $50, is usually based on a visual inspection. if it has paper scuffs and the like it may still be a legit NM, if the scratch is deep enough to 'sound' and depending on many other variables its downgraded from there. In my former collecting life I was a seller of high-dollar rarities (RCA, Mercs, Blue Notes, etc). vinyl from the early stereo period --by in large-- are mostly VG++ or worse and for most people it was good enough. a NM commanded a premium few would pay for. over time you established a baseline of acceptability and aimed for an average and depending on what it cost you compared to a NM record ypu were happy with that. There are some people (buyers) who are never satisfied and quickly become known in your trading circle as 'difficult' and you either dealt with them or told them to bug off and buy CDs.
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            • #7
              Discogs a few years back was much better in regards to grading.....the sellers there unfortunately are just cashing in at our exspence.....ebay is no different. It seems what was once a true mint or mint minus record is no better than good or very good if were lucky and many times worse.
              Jeff Whitlock
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              • #8
                It all comes down to the sellers. Over time, by hit or miss, one finds the sellers who grade the most accurately. As they say, live and learn.

                BTW, many sellers/dealers cross list between eBay, Discogs and Music Stack.

                Genre may be the most important factor. Better chance of classical LPs being graded accurately. It's always a crapshoot buying rock and jazz LPs because many were played to death on crappy turntables. Always make sure the seller takes returns.

                Overall, I don't find eBay better than Discogs or vice versa. I maybe use eBay more often because like the search ability there better than Discogs. OTOH, Discogs has far more info.
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                • Rob
                  Rob commented
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                  agree completely esp. re Classical vinyl.

                • dcc
                  dcc commented
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                  Agreed. I tend to work with a closed list of a dozen of sellers with whom I have a good experience (fair price and good grading). I have written some off of the list due to fancy gradings. My main beef are wrapped records for which grading does not seem to be taken account. My record flattener has proven to be a good investment. I exclusively buy classical music records on Discogs. I would not even dare buying rock LPs.

                • Dre_J
                  Dre_J commented
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                  agree

              • #9
                I've had a bunch of transactions over the last several years. So far the only place I haven't had an issue with. Most of the records I have purchased were at or above the specified grade. Contacting you later for payment is standard when international shipping or some other non standard issue is involved.

                Beau


                Originally posted by Steve Lefkowicz View Post
                Placed two orders today, first time buying through Discogs. First order went through fine, second one, simply said "the seller will contact you with details." Is this normal? The seller has a 98.7 % positive on 3600 reviews, so I figure he's legit.
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                • Johnny Vinyl
                  Johnny Vinyl commented
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                  This has been my experience as well, although I've only bought about a half dozen LPs from Discogs sellers. I tend to buy used vinyl locally, Canuck Audio Mart (about 3 sellers) and the Steve Hoffman Forum (again, a few guys only).

              • #10
                I just had a terrible experience on Discogs. I bought an expensive, rare, LP for about $100 advertised as NM-. I asked that the seller delay shipment because I was about to go away on vacation. I returned and they sent the LP. The condition was "good" at best, with lots of crackles and pops. I asked to return it to Germany. No problem. They would refund my money via PayPal upon receipt. The problem was that sending it by air and insured was $45 from Boston. So I opted for $22, with no guarantee of arrival date. Two months go by, the seller has not received anything, and now after three months, the LP was returned to me as undeliverable. They must not have accepted delivery or they gave me a bogus address. The seller is not responding to my messages. It looks like I am out $120+. Feedback will not be pretty.
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                • Beaur
                  Beaur commented
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                  I don't buy any expensive LP without seeing it first. There's nothing out there I need that much.

                • MylesBAstor
                  MylesBAstor commented
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                  That sucks. I think I know the album and it is rare and that is the going price. Out of curiosity, did the surface look good? I wonder if these albums were noisy new because the label used inferior or cheap vinyl?

              • #11
                I prefer the buyer protections I get from ebay. If I'm bidding for expensive records...ahem..Golden Age Classical, I will only bid if seller offers returns. That way your not stuck with a mis-graded record you paid a lot of money for...
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                • #12
                  I'm an intensive user of Discogs with over 200 transactions in the last 3 years. Sorry to hear for PeterA that his deal went south but I can only say that I'm very happy with it. Mayby just stick to sellers with a rating over 95%

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                  • #13
                    how about a positive experience with Discogs there are at least four sellers in the UK that come to mind that always under promise and over deliver, I took a chance on vinyl graded VG+ (in fact all of their grades are VG+ or VG). all the orders I received were basically unplayed or one or two times at most. A good cleaning with the ultrasonic and vacuum RCM resulted in a sold NM to M grade. I've had many experiences like that!

                    An analogy thrown around early in my vinyl collecting life was that vinyl its like produce. in the store it will appear fresh, unblemished and meticulously handled. its not until you get it home and bite into it will you know exactly what you got. You need patience and stamina for this game, if you call it quits after a few 'bad' deals then you weren't meant for this (go back to CDs). We live in an imperfect world, vinyl collecting is the embodiment of that
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                    • #14
                      Originally posted by Rob View Post
                      how about a positive experience with Discogs there are at least four sellers in the UK that come to mind that always under promise and over deliver, I took a chance on vinyl graded VG+ (in fact all of their grades are VG+ or VG). all the orders I received were basically unplayed or one or two times at most. A good cleaning with the ultrasonic and vacuum RCM resulted in a sold NM to M grade. I've had many experiences like that!

                      An analogy thrown around early in my vinyl collecting life was that vinyl its like produce. in the store it will appear fresh, unblemished and meticulously handled. its not until you get it home and bite into it will you know exactly what you got. You need patience and stamina for this game, if you call it quits after a few 'bad' deals then you weren't meant for this (go back to CDs). We live in an imperfect world, vinyl collecting is the embodiment of that
                      So true. And same experiences with me. I've had many good experiences with Discogs and just a few dogs. As always there is risk involved, no more than stepping out your front door to a brick & mortar store...
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                      • #15
                        Postscript: While waiting for the sellers to respond to my request for resolution to my poor transaction, the 90 day Feedback period has expired, in part due to the long shipping time between Germany and Boston, so now I can't even leave negative feedback for these sellers who sold me a poor condition LP describing it as NM-. The whole episode has been very frustrating. I have tried to contact management at Discogs, but there is no easy/obvious communication path. Lesson learned.
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                        • rockitman
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                          That's why I haven't used discogs (no recourse...like getting your money back). I am not saying you can't get great records reliably from them...you are just on your own, like a "Craig's List".

                        • allenh
                          allenh commented
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                          So far I've been using B&M stores (or so they seem) and haven't had an issue yet. of course, I've only purchased 3.

                          But yes, ebay is good on the buyer protection. Have gotten my money back a few times and once, refund + was able to keep the LP as well (though not in great condition).
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