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  • Genesis - From progressive to mainstream

    Much like Pink Floyd, there is a definite pre & post period with several line-up changes starting with the second album. The first most notable departure was Anthony Phillips and later on Peter Gabriel. The most notable additions were Steve Hackett and Phil Collins, with only Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford as charter members. There were 2 drummers prior to Phil Collins, who joined the band with Steve Hackett on Nursery Cryme.

    Up to and including The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway they were fronted by the theatrically focused Peter Gabriel and still in the midst of their progressive roots. When PG left many thought this was the end of Genesis as we knew them. And for the pre-period fans this must have seemed so. However, with Phil Collins having been handed the reigns as the new frontman (they couldn't find anyone else and PC wasn't really keen and I suspect somewhat insecure), the new post-period Genesis created a lush album with A Trick of the Tail and clearly stated that the band would have more to offer.

    The still progressive sounds continued with Wind & Wuthering, but a move away from their roots started creeping in on ...And Then There Were Three... This personally never bothered me, nor did it surprise me with Steve Hackett's departure. Genesis were now a trio consisting of Banks, Collins & Rutherford and they obviously had a different vision. The next album made it clear that Prog was taking a backseat, in favour of a more mainstream direction. However, Duke still captures both Prog and Pop in a more than just satisfactory effort. That album (to me) flows really well and manages to capture both music forms with wonderful fluidity.

    The next four (Abacab, Genesis, Invisible Touch, We Can't Dance) became huge sellers and the circle was complete. What a journey!

    The last Genesis album was a 1997 effort called Calling All Stations with Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford and Ray Wilson (a replacement for Phil Collins). I can't comment on this as I've not heard it. Although it reached #2 in the U.K. it never made an impact elsewhere.

    Here are my Top 3 Genesis albums.
    1. A Trick of the Tail
    2. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
    3. Duke
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    Surely we have some Genesis fans here?
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    • #3
      I am somewhat curmudgeonly about Genesis. Post Gabriel Genesis just didn't do it for me.
      top Genesis LPs?
      1. Nursery Cryme
      2. Selling England by the Pound
      3. Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
      4. Foxtrot
      5. Trespass

      I did catch their first post-Gabriel concert tour (saw them in Rochester New York) and was surprised how good they were with Collins up front and Chester Thompson on drums. they played a lot of the older material still. Just never cared much for the new songs.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Steve Lefkowicz View Post
        I am somewhat curmudgeonly about Genesis. Post Gabriel Genesis just didn't do it for me.
        top Genesis LPs?
        1. Nursery Cryme
        2. Selling England by the Pound
        3. Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
        4. Foxtrot
        5. Trespass

        I did catch their first post-Gabriel concert tour (saw them in Rochester New York) and was surprised how good they were with Collins up front and Chester Thompson on drums. they played a lot of the older material still. Just never cared much for the new songs.
        I'm always somewhat surprised by the significant divide among fans of pre & post Gabriel/Collins albums, but I understand it and can see everyone's point about the preference they have. I was at their Montreal concert stop during what I think may have been same that tour.
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        • #5
          I only have one Genesis Lp, the mofi Trick of the tail, and I must say I haven't been able to really get into it. I haven't heard any of their other early stuff, and I only have heard the late stuff on the radio and it doesn't appeal to me much.
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          • Johnny Vinyl
            Johnny Vinyl commented
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            Lemme know if you want to sell it or do a trade.

        • #6
          Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post
          I only have one Genesis Lp, the mofi Trick of the tail, and I must say I haven't been able to really get into it. I haven't heard any of their other early stuff, and I only have heard the late stuff on the radio and it doesn't appeal to me much.
          I would suggest starting with Selling England by the Pound. Maybe you'll get lucky and find one of the Classic Records reissues of it. If you have a Tidal account you can try it out that way.
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          • #7
            Originally posted by Johnny Vinyl View Post

            I'm always somewhat surprised by the significant divide among fans of pre & post Gabriel/Collins albums, but I understand it and can see everyone's point about the preference they have. I was at their Montreal concert stop during what I think may have been same that tour.
            the divide probably shouldn't be that surprising, at least among older fans. Those of us who became prog fans in the "early days" most likely began with the big five:
            Yes
            Genesis
            King Crimson
            Emerson Lake and Palmer
            Gentle Giant

            and with the exception of the ever changing King Crimson, where you never knew what to expect, we wanted growth and further explorations of what progressive rock meant. Any Prog band that veered towards mainstream, pop or commercially oriented rock fell out of favor.

            Yes, lost original fans after Relayer, found new fans with works after that.
            Genesis, lost original fans after Gabriel left, more after Trick of the tail, gained a lot more new fans later on.
            Emerson Lake and Palmer lost original fans when they turned to crap after Brain Salad Surgery.
            Gentle giant slowly lost the original fans after Free Hand when they turned more to hard rock and away from their otherwise successfully growing/changing roots.

            I don't include Pink Floyd here, as to me they were always more a psychedelic band than a prog band. but even then, the fans that found them with DSOTM or The Wall probably would never listen to the early stuff, and those of that listened from the beginning, probably stopped after Wish You Were Here.
            Steve Lefkowicz
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            Speakers: Tekton Lore, Magneplaner .7
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            • Steve Lefkowicz
              Steve Lefkowicz commented
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              Should have figured out a way to include the Moody Blues in here too.
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