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    One interesting comparison we did at Marty Wax's yesterday was compare just for the hell of it, my vinyl copy of MOFI Reissue of Dead Can Dance Into the Labyrinth with the original 4AD CD release of the same title. Now just in case anyone was interested, both mediums were played back on systems of roughly same cost:

    Analog: Goldmund T3/Goldmund T5 arm/Benz Ruby/Vibraplane

    Digiital: top of the line Meitner digital electronics

    Marty synched up both mediums using the very first cut from Into the Labyrinth "Yulanga" and it was off to the races.

    Well you know how they stop a clinical trials because the results are so overwhelming there's no need to go to trial completion? Well that's close to what happened here.

    First of all, Marty's Gothams easily showed off perhaps the biggest difference between the two releases: the ITL CD lacks low bass, especially the very lowest octave. Many won't have the system to hear the difference but the low bass is absolutely MIA on the CD. In fact so miuch so that one shakes their head momentarily in disbelief over what they heard and then has ask did I just hear that?

    Second, the CD just lacks the ambience of the LP (and is on the tape) that makes the recording so spectacular. The CD just sounds dead like the album was recorded in a closet.

    Third, images on the CD are almost paper thin. Not quite 20 micron thin, but truly lacking the palpability of the MOFI reissue.

    Lastly, there's just a confused feeling on the CD. Again, I don't have a ready answer but it's absolutely unmistakable. Like the brain is fighting what you are hearing on the CD and absorbing it all on the LP.

    Fascinating and one wonders if the CD and LP were taken from the same mix. Hmmm.......... why would you emasculate the bottom end on the CD?

    I left pretty sure that Marty will be ordering the LP release.
    Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
    Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
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    -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
    -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
    -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
    -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
    -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
    -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
    -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
    -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
    -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
    -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

  • #2
    Myles

    Nothing new here - vinyl sounds better. Always good to validate by listening thou.

    The original UK pressing is better again

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    • #3
      Wonder how they compare with the SACD version? I have the DSD files from the SACD. Sounds pretty nice.
      Steve Lefkowicz
      Senior Associate Editor at Positive Feedback
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      Analog 1: Linn LP12 (MOSE/Hercules II), Ittok, Dynavector 10X5 MK.II Low Output, iPhono2/iPowerX; Analog 2: Pro-Ject RPM-1 Carbon, Talisman S, iFi iPhono.
      Digital: Samsung 300E5C notebook, JRiver Media Center 26, Tidal HiFi and Qobuz Studio), iFi NEO iDSD, iFi iUSB3, iPurifier2, Audioquest Jitterbug.
      Electronics: DIY passive line-stage with TKD 10K pot, Antique Sound Labs MG-SI15DT-S, Burson Timekeeper Virtuoso
      Speakers: Tekton Lore, Magneplaner .7
      Interconnects: Morrow Audio MA1, Vermouth Audio Black Pearl, Audioquest Evergreen
      Speaker cables: Morrow Audio SP4, Vermouth Audio Red Velvet
      Digital cables: Aural Symphonics Digital Standard xxv USB, Belkin PureAV.
      Accessories: Sound Organization turntable shelf, Mondo racks, Pangea Audio Vulcan rack, Pi Audio Group Über BUSS, Monster HTS2000 power conditioner, Kinetronics anti-static brush, Pro-Ject VC-S record cleaner, Spin Clean record cleaner.
      Headphones: Schiit Valhalla amp, Burson Conductor Virtuoso Amp, Meze Audio 99 Classic and 99 Neo, Beyerdynamic DT770Pro 600 ohm, DT770 Studio 80 ohm, 1More Triple Driver Over Ear, 1More Triple Driver IEM

      http://www.audionirvana.org/forum/ti...ounding-system

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      • #4
        Can you get this release on R2R tape?
        Marty

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        • MylesBAstor
          MylesBAstor commented
          Editing a comment
          Ask Greg to play it for you at CAF! He played it at Axpona on the MBL Xtremes. Mind blowing.

      • #5
        Originally posted by Steve Lefkowicz View Post
        Wonder how they compare with the SACD version? I have the DSD files from the SACD. Sounds pretty nice.
        Ken Golden told me the SACD has the channels reversed. Actually he said the vinyl and CD were reversed relative to each other but heard the tape and know the LP is right.
        Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
        Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
        ________________________________________

        -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
        -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
        -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
        -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
        -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
        -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
        -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
        -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
        -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
        -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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        • lasercd
          lasercd commented
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          I believe this is only true for the track "Yulunga"

      • #6
        Originally posted by nc42acc View Post
        Can you get this release on R2R tape?
        Not yet.
        Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
        Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
        ________________________________________

        -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
        -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
        -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
        -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
        -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
        -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
        -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
        -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
        -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
        -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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        • #7
          Thx for the comparo, Myles. Interesting. Bad mastering on the CD or different masters? The bass on ITL is stunning (same with Anastasis). Sad to hear CD owners aren't hearing the whole thing.
          Kronos Sparta -> Trinity Phono -> Trinity Pre -> CH Precision A1 -> Magico S7s

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          • audioblazer
            audioblazer commented
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            Myles . Have u compare Mofi LP with the original LP ?

          • MylesBAstor
            MylesBAstor commented
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            I don't have the original and last I saw, was going for big bucks. Or else I would have.

          • MylesBAstor
            MylesBAstor commented
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            And if you don't have a speaker or sub that plunges the depths, you aren't even hearing it. I think I heard more at Marty's than here. But I have to go back and replay it here since it's been a while and now have the new GAT in also.

        • #8
          Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post

          Not yet.
          i lucked out with a dub. The tape is killer !

          Christian
          System Gear

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          • #9
            Greg had a copy at Axpona that he played for me through the MBL extremes. Now that was like going to a concert!
            Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
            Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
            ________________________________________

            -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
            -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
            -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
            -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
            -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
            -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
            -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
            -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
            -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
            -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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            • #10
              The other Dead Can Dance that is really impressive is that live record, Beyond the Within?- double album on 4AD. I managed to find a bunch of the 4AD pressings on the cheap (well, not dirt cheap, but not crazy money) over the last couple years. I still haven't bought the original pressing of Labyrinth because it was pricey, and went for the MoFi, which is very good, but folks that have compared claim the 4AD is better. Now, the MoFi is OOP if memory serves, and is also fetching some higher prices. It's that old syndrome of having multiple copies of the same record- the moral of which is, buy the uber pressing straight off- it will save you money in the long run, after you have bought several others as alternatives.

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              • #11
                Nope still in print. $39.99 takes the double LP. Imagine if it was 45 rpm!

                I always have to ask what front ends they used to compare the original vs the reissue ITL?

                http://www.elusivedisc.com/The-Dead-...nfo/MFSLP2001/
                Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                ________________________________________

                -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
                -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
                -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
                -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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                • #12
                  Originally posted by Steve Lefkowicz View Post
                  Wonder how they compare with the SACD version? I have the DSD files from the SACD. Sounds pretty nice.
                  I know a few people who have the sacd and vinyl. They prefer the vinyl.

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                  • #13
                    Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post
                    Nope still in print. $39.99 takes the double LP. Imagine if it was 45 rpm!

                    I always have to ask what front ends they used to compare the original vs the reissue ITL?

                    http://www.elusivedisc.com/The-Dead-...nfo/MFSLP2001/
                    I guess this is another example where online sellers are charging over sticker for a record that some still have in stock at original "list" price (a point you made elsewhere here).
                    Just to be sure, your comments here prompted me to buy the 4AD of Labyrinth, which I just bought from an online seller for a decent price. I'll do a comparison with the MoFi once I receive the 4AD and write it up eventually.

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                    • #14
                      Bill, will be interested in your comparo. I have the 4AD and came to a conclusion but recently 2nd guessed myself. Look forward to your thoughts.
                      Kronos Sparta -> Trinity Phono -> Trinity Pre -> CH Precision A1 -> Magico S7s

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                      • Bill Hart
                        Bill Hart commented
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                        Thanks, allen. Do you have that live record, Toward the Within? (I had the title wrong above). It has some songs from Labyrinth- and some others that are great, it is somewhat amazing that they were able to pull this off live. It's probably one of my favorites of theirs. Albert Porter knows a fair amount about the band, as does Greg Baron, who had a relationship with someone associated with them.
                        It's also fun to do these comparisons with more than one set of ears- and literally compare notes afterwards, since we all hear things a bit differently. There is something that draws you into their records- perhaps the combination of rhythms, and the exotic motifs, --they become almost mesmerizing.

                      • allenh
                        allenh commented
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                        Bill, I have their 'In Concert' triple live album that Johnny recommended. Great live album. The bass doesn't go as low as the studio album, but I guess that's difficult to do at a live concert.

                        Their music is mesmerizing as you say. Something very earthy, spiritual about their sound.

                        Look forward to your listening notes.:-)

                    • #15
                      Does anybody have the 4AD release of Les Mystere des Voix Bulgares LP? The thought of having lost mine still makes me want to cry.

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