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  • Any simple home remedies for warped Lps?

    While they are fairly rare, I just got in the mail a warped lp that my graham arm and cart cant handle. Are there any simple ways to fix a warped lp?
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    Furutech LP Flattener DF-2
    http://www.furutech.com/2013/02/02/1790/

    Simple, yes. Inexpensive, no.
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    • #3
      This is the working man's solution: https://vinylflat.com/vinylflatproducts.html

      If you buy it, also buy the Groovy Pouch. Its an electric warming pouch that you place the Vinyl Flat into.

      That stuff costs a lot less than the Furatech flattener and it does the job. You will need a timer to plug the Groovy Pouch into but you can get these on the internet and its pretty inexpensive. I had a timer that I bought a long time ago so I didn't need to shop around for the timer.

      When I need to flatten a LP I place it in the Vinyl Flat and stick that into the pouch. I set the timer for 11 hours if the LP is pretty warped and around 8 if it just needs a bit of help.

      The Vinyl flat flattened several LPs for me without any issues.

      If you are a real do it yourself guy, you can try buying some pieces of thick glass and have them cut somewhere over 12 x 12 inches. I read a post a long time ago about using the pieces of glass with the LP in between and placing this is an oven. Of course, the problem here is over heating and ruining the LP.

      The Vinyl Flat thing above can do the job without having to worry about over heating the LP. Just don't forget that you placed the LP in the pouch.

      That is the price for the Furatech thing. With the Furatech you do not have to worry about having a disc in the flattener but you also have to pay thousands more for that automation. Its your money.

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      • #4
        I have taken warped albums and put them in between two pieces of tile 12x12, turn the oven on to bake till 200 degrees. Then turn the oven off and put the tiles in and leave until the next day.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by timztunz View Post
          Furutech LP Flattener DF-2
          http://www.furutech.com/2013/02/02/1790/

          Simple, yes. Inexpensive, no.
          Furutech’s are actually rebadged Orb LP flatteners which are a little bit less expensive. Highly effective indeed but not cheap. Worth every penny though.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post
            While they are fairly rare, I just got in the mail a warped lp that my graham arm and cart cant handle. Are there any simple ways to fix a warped lp?
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            • #7
              Like and own the Vinyl Flat. Haven't been successful fixing some edge warps though.

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              • #8
                I have an Air Tight flattener, also expensive but simple and safe. Having 15K records with a huge number of box sets which are more susceptible to dish warps (records not packed tightly in the box), I have used the flattener many hundreds (maybe 1000 or more) times. Dish warps are easy, edge warps - ripples around the edge, are not. I also have weighted ring on my VPI TT, so that helps with edge warps.

                I looked online and it looks like both the Air Tight and Furutech are rebadged Orb flatteners. I've had my Air Tight for more than a decade - I think it was before the Furutech came out.

                BTW, the highly regarded Classic Records 45RPM reissues which were pressed on one side only are much more susceptible to dish warps - I think because only one side is pressed. So I had to flatten a very high percentage of them.

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                • #9
                  The Vinyl Flat with Groovy Pouch works and is relatively little money. There are some tricks to using it though. I eventually bought the Furutech DF-2 (Orb) and it has been very good- far less incremental and time consuming than the Vinyl Flat, given how I used the latter- only short cooking times, gradually increasing. With the Furu/Orb, one cook is usually enough.
                  Edge warps are the most difficult in my experience--that's where the Vinyl Flat can work very effectively using binder clamps around the edges of the plates.
                  I occasionally flatten records for friends- one had a dreadful edge warp, and one cook on the Furu didn't do it. I talked to my friend who said, 'hey, that record is a loss anyway, so feel free to repeat the process to your content." I cooked it a total of 4 times over the course of a week or so. It was nice and flat by the time I sent it back to him and he's happy- said it plays fine with no nasties.
                  I think people who have had a bad experience with the Vinyl Flat torqued the nut too tight- I don't think it needs any additional pressure apart from the weight of the plates themselves, which are pretty heavy.
                  I have one record -- the Cloud Atlas Sextet-- which was a limited run of copies based on the 'prop' used in the movie (it's not the soundtrack but something different with an emphasis on piano), that forms part of the narrative. It came from Europe and was sold out by the time I received it-- looked like a potato chip. I got it flat with the Vinyl Flat, sorta, but in doing so, the groove path obviously wound up going nowhere so it doesn't track on one side. Before I flattened it, It didn't play at all on either side. The record got pricey fast, so I don't plan on buying a replacement unless one lands in my lap.
                  I should probably go check it out again, maybe give it a whack in the Furutech. But, I think since the groove path is messed up, making it flatter isn't going to help.

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                  • #10
                    Guess I should have checked with you guys about this Orb before getting the Furutech. Silly me.
                    Speakers: Horning Eufrodite Ellipse III on Stillpoints Ultra 5S feet
                    Speakers: REL Acoustics G1 Mark II Subs (pair)
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                    Preamp: TW Acustic RPA-100 Line Stage
                    Phono Stage: TW Acustic RPS-100
                    Turntable - TW Acustic Raven AC w/ Black Knight Anniversary Upgrades
                    Tonearm: Kuzma 4-Point 14" with Air Tight Opus-1 Cartridge (w/ EM/IA 1:20 Silver Wire SUT)
                    Tonearm: TW 10.5" with Miyajima Zero Mono
                    Vinyl Care: Furutech DF-2 LP Flattener - Degritter Ultrasonic & VPI Cyclone RCM
                    Tape: Tascam 42B-NB (Refurb by Soren Wittrup)
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                    Tweaks: Stillpoints Aperture II Panels & Stillpoints Ultra 5S's & SS's sprinkled about - DS Audio ION-001 Vinyl Ionizer - SRA Scuttle III Rack, SRA Ohio Class and Symposium Super Plus Platforms

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                    • Bill Hart
                      Bill Hart commented
                      Editing a comment
                      Why? If you have the Furutech DF-2, my understanding is that it is better than the basic Orb that was sold under the Airtight brand here, can handle thicker and beadless records, etc. Orb did not directly import the DF-2 into the States and the DF-1 under the Orb brand, rather than the Airtight brand had pretty spotty distribution- i think Chad was selling it for a while as an Orb.
                      There's a model 3 that has more features that was never officially brought into the States- I know a couple people who have them, one in Ireland. I think the one owner of the model 3 found it less good than his model 1 Orb for some reason, but I can't remember and will deny I said this if pressed.

                    • timztunz
                      timztunz commented
                      Editing a comment
                      I only meant if there is a cost benefit for an equal unit. I've been thoroughly pleased with my DF-2. I had about half a dozen significantly warped LP's (unplayable) that it fixed flawlessly. But it's been surprising to me, now that I have it, how much I really do use it. I use a Stillpoints LPI and I can hear a difference when I slightly dished LP in flattened down to the platter by the LPI and when the other side is played and the outer edge is cupped up (and I don't have the outer ring like I did with VPI, I loved that ring!). So any even slightly dished LP gets a visit to the DF-2. I no longer have to tolerate any LP not being perfectly flat.

                      There's only been one LP that I couldn't fix. A friend of mine inadvertently left his MOFI 45rpm KOB too near a high intensity light. The DF-2 made if flat ok, but upon play there is a "shwoosh, shwoosh" as it plays. I suspect that the grooves collapsed in the initial meltdown and not caused by the DF-2. The unplayable other LP's I fixed played perfectly.

                      I'm happy with my purchase.

                  • #11
                    Their is also a silver can that sits by the curb in front of your house once a week cheap and effective

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                    • #12
                      Thanks Rob, was going to post that thread. See post #6. IIRC, it was a hit or miss proposition with the cheaper flateners. For that money, a better solution might be an outer ring clamp. Someone was even selling a while back a vinyl vacuum setup that went on the platter.
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                      • #13
                        I am the original poster. I should have mentioned that the discs in question have a pretty severe edge warp.
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                        • #14
                          If not returning the LP and willing to risk damaging the plasticizers you could take a drapery steamer with distilled water in it and heat up the LP on both sides hitting the edge extra good.

                          The entire LP can become super floppy so set it down after holding it to clean on a large tile or something super flat and hard (like a granite countertop).

                          Any hysterics should come out and the memory of being flat should return to original state of pressing - in theory.

                          https://www.yourdictionary.com/plastic-memory
                          Plastic memory is the ability of some plastics to return to their original form when hot.
                          I have not done this on purpose, and have only steam cleaned a half dozen poor condition records, but I swear they were flatter after the fact.

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