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  • What Record (s) Do You Use to Adjust SRA/VTA?

    This is an old classic. Recommended by David Shreve (he used to mod the old Rabco arms) in one of the old TASs.
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    For years, I used this. In large part, because Dave was very helpful in describing the making of the recording and what he listens for when setting up a cartridge.
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    Found this one very useful tonight.

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    Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
    Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
    ________________________________________

    -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
    -Goldmund Telos 300 stereo amp
    -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
    -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
    -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
    -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
    -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
    -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
    -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 6, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
    -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.1+ platforms.

  • #2
    how thick (heavy) are they?
    Magnepan 1.6 QR Loudspeakers, Amherst A-2000 MOSFET 150 WPC Amp, Conrad Johnson PV-10A Modded Tube Line & Phono Stage, Electrocompaniet MC II Class A Head Amp, Audio Technica AT-OC9XML Cart (Stereo) , Graham Engineering 2.2 Tonearm (Stereo) , VPI Aries-1 Turntable (Stereo) , VPI Clamp, Denon DL-102 Cart, (Mono) , Luxman Tonearm (Mono) , Kenwood KD-500 Turntable (Mpmp) , Michell Clamp, Marantz 20B Analog FM Tuner, Pioneer SACD, Onkyo DX-6800 CD Transport, DIY 24B/192K DAC, Sennheiser HD-650 Headphones, Headroom Max Balanced Headphone Amp, DIY Silver Interconnects

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    • #3
      One (among others) was the Ave Maria on the soundtrack of The Mission- choral with voices continually being added in depth and size.
      To set a baseline, though, for older "standard" pressings, my standby is Janis Ian's Between the Lines, because it has bass, strings, horns and female voice, so the balance of the instruments- from low to high, tonality and richness or thinness, as well as Ian's voice makes it pretty evident if all is good or if it needs to goosing. For 200 gram records, I used to use a few Harvest tracks from Neil Young's Greatest Hits on Classic, b/c if it was too high, it got strident very fast. Funny thing is, I rarely readjust VTA now, which once set I pretty much leave alone. When i had Lyras, they were extremely sensitive to VTA.

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      • #4
        I don't adjust VTA for every LP ( although my Graham arm allows for it on the fly). I found a mid point by setting up for a 150g Lp so both 120g and 180g Lps would at least be close.
        Magnepan 1.6 QR Loudspeakers, Amherst A-2000 MOSFET 150 WPC Amp, Conrad Johnson PV-10A Modded Tube Line & Phono Stage, Electrocompaniet MC II Class A Head Amp, Audio Technica AT-OC9XML Cart (Stereo) , Graham Engineering 2.2 Tonearm (Stereo) , VPI Aries-1 Turntable (Stereo) , VPI Clamp, Denon DL-102 Cart, (Mono) , Luxman Tonearm (Mono) , Kenwood KD-500 Turntable (Mpmp) , Michell Clamp, Marantz 20B Analog FM Tuner, Pioneer SACD, Onkyo DX-6800 CD Transport, DIY 24B/192K DAC, Sennheiser HD-650 Headphones, Headroom Max Balanced Headphone Amp, DIY Silver Interconnects

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        • #5
          Rosa Passos and Ron Carter "Entre Amigos" on Chesky Records, in particular the track "Insensatez". Ironically, the digital sounds far superior to the vinyl, but I use this track for set up listening for:

          1. Bass quality in the left channel
          2. Sound of guitar front of right channel
          3. Kick drum back of right channel
          4. Rosa's voice is the ultimate VTA/azimuth discriminator. Her vocal tends to sibilance when VTA is wrong. When azimuth is correct, sex just oozes from the microphone...

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          • #6
            I don't adjust for every LP. I get my adjustment as close as possible and set back and just enjoy the music,
            Chris
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            Kef 201/2, Pass xa30.5, W4S STP-SE, Manley Chinook, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV20x2L, ExaSound e32, Acoustic Zen cables. (Office): Vincent SP331 Mkll, Quicksilver Pre, Lumin D1, (Ken Lau Signiture Edition PSU), Bryston BCD-1, Vapor Audio Breeze, WooAudio W6se,Questyle Audio CMA800R LCD-3,HD800s, HD600, Mr Speaker Ether C Flow,

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            • #7
              I don't adjust either as the VTA is a real pain the ass to adjust on my Paris....wish it had VTA on-the-fly. I had my dealer set it for 180g as I want my best reissue recordings to sound their best. It's my understanding that the need for adjusting VTA is very much cartridge dependent as well.
              Dynavector DV20x2L MC cartridge - Genesis G7.1f speakers - Marantz Reference PM-KI-Pearl Int. Amp. - Oracle Audio Paris MkV turntable - Various Morrow & Valab/King cables

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              • #8
                I also set to 150g as that makes up over 95% of my records. I do have VTA on the fly as well but use it very rarely for the reason mentioned.

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                • #9
                  I use a mid thickness LP and a Wally VTA tool to set my arm, and then leave it there. The Ittok does not allow for easy VTA for each record. I was surprised that the short cantilever Dynavectors (I use a 19a) seem to work well this way.
                  http://veteranhifi.se/WVC/tools/vta%20gauge.htm
                  Steve Lefkowicz
                  Senior Associate Editor at Positive Feedback
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                  Analog 1: Linn LP12 (MOSE/Hercules II), Ittok, Dynavector 10X5 MK.II Low, iPhono2/iPowerX; Analog 2: Pro-Ject RPM-1 Carbon, Talisman S, iFi iPhono.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post
                    how thick (heavy) are they?
                    Doesn't matter. I set for the record thickness most frequently played and adjust other records from there. I can keep track of how much up or down adjusted to get back to original starting position. I just want a baseline like Bill.

                    Too many other variables especially in the early days of stereo where the cutter head angles were all over the place.
                    Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                    Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                    ________________________________________

                    -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
                    -Goldmund Telos 300 stereo amp
                    -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                    -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
                    -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                    -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                    -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                    -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                    -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 6, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                    -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.1+ platforms.

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                    • #11
                      I guess those of us that do not adjust VTA for each record are not true vinyl audiophiles
                      Chris
                      ----------------------------------------------------------------
                      Kef 201/2, Pass xa30.5, W4S STP-SE, Manley Chinook, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV20x2L, ExaSound e32, Acoustic Zen cables. (Office): Vincent SP331 Mkll, Quicksilver Pre, Lumin D1, (Ken Lau Signiture Edition PSU), Bryston BCD-1, Vapor Audio Breeze, WooAudio W6se,Questyle Audio CMA800R LCD-3,HD800s, HD600, Mr Speaker Ether C Flow,

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                      • Rob
                        Rob commented
                        Editing a comment
                        no it means you have a life my .02 cents, you can get close by ear but you cant get exact w/o a digital microscope.

                      • MylesBAstor
                        MylesBAstor commented
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                        I don't think that was quite the point. The point was you need to start somewhere even if you don't go full vinyl jacket with your LPs. I think we can all agree on that.

                    • #12
                      Originally posted by cpp View Post
                      I guess those of us that do not adjust VTA for each record are not true vinyl audiophiles
                      It depends whether I'm reviewing or just listening to relax. What about others? Do you or don't you adjust for different record thicknesses or labels?
                      Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                      Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                      ________________________________________

                      -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
                      -Goldmund Telos 300 stereo amp
                      -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                      -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
                      -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                      -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                      -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                      -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                      -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 6, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                      -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.1+ platforms.

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                      • lasercd
                        lasercd commented
                        Editing a comment
                        I weigh every album and adjust VTA accordingly.

                    • #13
                      Originally posted by cpp View Post
                      I guess those of us that do not adjust VTA for each record are not true vinyl audiophiles
                      Nothing could be further from the truth.

                      All one need to do is witness the diversity in the choices of analog front-ends used by the membership. Regardless of (my or anybody elses) approach, find what works and makes one happy and enjoy the format.

                      Keep your true vinyl audiophile card and upgrade it to platinum whenever you feel like it. Even that upgrade doesn't require you to change VTA if it doesn't matter or bother you.

                      Dre
                      **************************************************
                      Every day is a good day to play analog.
                      - 12" 33-1/3 RPM or 45 RPM vinyl
                      - 10.5" 15ips or 30ips tape
                      **************************************************
                      Every day is a good day for live music.
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                      • #14
                        What would one think of reviewers who reviewed gear without compensating for SRA? 😎
                        Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                        Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                        ________________________________________

                        -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
                        -Goldmund Telos 300 stereo amp
                        -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                        -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
                        -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                        -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                        -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                        -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                        -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 6, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                        -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.1+ platforms.

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                        • #15
                          Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post
                          What would one think of reviewers who reviewed gear without compensating for SRA? 😎
                          Today's reviewers? Interesting question...

                          I think it would be interesting to know from readers and reviewers. Especially after they have all agreed on the "proper" method of doing such. (not going to happen)

                          You get where I'm going with this, I'm sure. Neither the readership or the reviewers (which is usually one in the same for the sake of being an audiophile/music listener) have an agreed method for doing such; or if they actually believe in doing it at all (for each record or not).

                          Am I wrong in this observation?

                          Dre



                          **************************************************
                          Every day is a good day to play analog.
                          - 12" 33-1/3 RPM or 45 RPM vinyl
                          - 10.5" 15ips or 30ips tape
                          **************************************************
                          Every day is a good day for live music.
                          **************************************************

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