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  • #61
    Thanks. I already have an Asus laptop. Do I need to disable its sound card (assuming it has one, lol) before using the AnalogMagik and external sound card, or will this happen automatically?

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    • #62
      should work automatically- it did for me.
      Front end: Aesthetix Io Signature with 2 Power Supplies and Volume controls
      Brinkmann La Grange & RonT Tube Power supply with Kuzma 4-point , Brinkmann 12.1 , Koetsu Rosewood Signature Platinum, Lyra Atlas, Lyra Etna SL Goldfinger Statement, KLAUDIO RCM
      Amps: Wyetech Topaz, Futterman H3 Quad II,Citation II, Marantz 8b, 5 ,2 - Custom Direct Drive to supply Beveridge Electrostatics
      Pre-Amps: ARC SP 3a, Marantz 7, Marantz Model 1 Consolette Pair
      Speakers: Quad ESL 57, Beveridge Model 3, REL S/2 x 2

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      • #63
        Originally posted by kcin View Post

        I'm using my existing HP laptop. Although, it is just a surfing machine, I use a Microsoft surface for my day job. The existing laptop works just fine.

        My dealer down the road uses a the recommended lennovo. Makes sense for him, as he needs something portable and dedicated for repeat use.

        http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/forum...p?f=20&t=49285

        He's done many set ups thus far. I am having good results with mine and after a small learning curve it is working well .
        I am most interested in learning what correlation there is between L/R channel intermodulation distortion and the actual stylus rake angle in degrees as measured by whatever means.

        Presumably AnalogMagik (AM) will take you to some optimal setting (arm pivot height) as dictated by best (lowest?) IMD measurement.

        And SRA set to 92° (or whatever one chooses as optimal) yields a certain IMD measurement with AM.

        I'm vaguely recalling, kcin that you use the A-S stylus gauge, not an usb 'scope (pls correct as needed).

        So what are you finding wrt SRA through using AM?

        Out of the learning curve you mention above, what aspects had the shallowest curves?

        How is it working with AM? Do you leave its setup intact including test records on the platter while you make physical adjustments to your cartridge and 'arm?

        Do you believe the results you're getting with AM are genuine improvements?

        kcin, I know this asks a lot. TIA for any info you can share.


        Spkr: Wilson Alexias series 2; Amps: Lamm M1.2Ref; Linestage and phono: ARC Ref 10 and ARC Ref 10 Phono; TT: GPA Monaco 2.0; Arms: Kuzma 4Point, Tri-planar Mk. VII U2-SE; Cartridges: Allnic Arrow/Puritas, Benz LP S, Lyra Etna, Transfiguration Phoenix, Denon DL-A100,DL103R; Cables: Shunyata Σ / Σ NR PC/SC/IC; Pwr Cond: Shunyata Triton III, Typhons(3); Isolation: SRA Scuttle3 rack, SRA Ohio Class amp stands, ; Acoustics: Stillpoints Apertures; Audio cat: Finzi

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        • #64
          Originally posted by tima View Post

          I am most interested in learning what correlation there is between L/R channel intermodulation distortion and the actual stylus rake angle in degrees as measured by whatever means.

          Presumably AnalogMagik (AM) will take you to some optimal setting (arm pivot height) as dictated by best (lowest?) IMD measurement.

          And SRA set to 92° (or whatever one chooses as optimal) yields a certain IMD measurement with AM.

          I'm vaguely recalling, kcin that you use the A-S stylus gauge, not an usb 'scope (pls correct as needed).

          So what are you finding wrt SRA through using AM?

          Out of the learning curve you mention above, what aspects had the shallowest curves?

          How is it working with AM? Do you leave its setup intact including test records on the platter while you make physical adjustments to your cartridge and 'arm?

          Do you believe the results you're getting with AM are genuine improvements?

          kcin, I know this asks a lot. TIA for any info you can share.

          Hi Tima,

          Lots of questions, I don't have a lot of time right now as I am travelling but I can say this:

          I find the use of scope and its software maddening to find the "starting point" 92 deg SRA angle. Too much room for interpretation and variability for me. I use the AS gauge then scope and oscillate between the two in order to get consistency and develop my line dropping skill with the scope.

          I find with all of my cartridges I can get to under 4% IM distortion with optimizing SRA. Everyone of them has meaningful movement in distortion especially if the angle is below 90 deg
          You can hear this with the typical tizzy highs or flubby lows associated with the related VTA up and down adjustments. It gets you to that spot quicker for me.

          I tried this on a friends Lenco modified table I couldn't get good results - sky high distortions - maybe because of the instability of the table or maybe his wooden arm instability. Not sure.So, if you have an unstable setup or one that does not adjust well you will not even come close.



          On learning curve, everything is inter- related: down force, SRA, azimuth etc.. changing one changes everything. You have to know to expect this and when to stop. I believe that using AM and AS tools confirms what is correct and assigns an empirical value to it which works for me as I can often talk myself into what I'm hearing- sometimes its nice to have a number in front of you.

          It is quite methodical when you get used to the setup.

          Thanks.
          Front end: Aesthetix Io Signature with 2 Power Supplies and Volume controls
          Brinkmann La Grange & RonT Tube Power supply with Kuzma 4-point , Brinkmann 12.1 , Koetsu Rosewood Signature Platinum, Lyra Atlas, Lyra Etna SL Goldfinger Statement, KLAUDIO RCM
          Amps: Wyetech Topaz, Futterman H3 Quad II,Citation II, Marantz 8b, 5 ,2 - Custom Direct Drive to supply Beveridge Electrostatics
          Pre-Amps: ARC SP 3a, Marantz 7, Marantz Model 1 Consolette Pair
          Speakers: Quad ESL 57, Beveridge Model 3, REL S/2 x 2

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          • tima
            tima commented
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            Thannk you. Pls keep us posted.

        • #65
          chris h Were you able to attend the Axpona demo? Curious to hear your thoughts.

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          • chris h
            chris h commented
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            The show date is April 13th to 15th

        • #66
          Ah! Sorry. OK I will wait with baited breath then. Although, I will likely have my copy of it by then (I went ahead and ordered it, couldn't help myself...)

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          • chris h
            chris h commented
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            Nice I almost went for the software but decided to wait till after Axpona. In the interim I purchased a fozgometer and analogue productions test LP primarily for setting the azimuth. I will say that this adjustment in my setup yielded a new level to my listening experience. My muisc is even more revealing which to me was quite satisfying before using the fozgometer. My point is that real time electronic measurements as the fozgometer is the analogmagik software should raise the bar to a level that has not been available till now.
            Just as a note I do not no why no one has posted a before and after listening video using the software to prove its merit . Charts of measurements simply do persuade as a video demo does. I sited to others what Ted Denney does with his SR setups. The improvements to a room are so evident in his videos IMO. Maybe you will be that person that creates the before after video

        • #67
          I owned a Foz previously but never felt I could get accurate measurements. I then upgraded to the Adjust+ software and got dramatically better results. I doubt the Analogmagik can do any better than the Adjust+ for azimuth. I’m mainly interested in it for the other measurements, particularly VTA.

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          • chris h
            chris h commented
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            Most comprehensive software to date IMO. I was able to match the left and right channels on my foz within 1db mark and it made a significant improvement. To note by just using my ears the meter was different by 7 to 8 db 's. I have not tried the adjust+

          • Socrates
            Socrates commented
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            +1 for the Adjust +

            Soc

        • #68
          chris h How was the show? Were you able to see the AM demo? I still have not had a chance to try it out, hoping to have time this coming weekend.

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          • #69
            Hi Dorian
            The show was huge and surprisingly a number of rooms that were very good in there musicality.
            I went to the Analogmagik class that Rutherford audio presented. Their presentation was verbal only with a monitor setup showing the software. He discussed the software's setup parameters and findings he was able to achieve in a setup using the software.He suggested that recording each measurement down on paper that you can refer back to as adjustments are made. Overall they felt that they were able to achieve a better result than using the conventional methods that they used in previous setups. The presenter said that the the sound became to a lesser degree in its warmth but was more revealing overall.He also stated that it was incumbent when using the software that going back and fourth in using the test tracks was important in coming to a conclusion in the final setup.This is true no matter what procedure you use in setup IMO but maybe easier since it is all software based in its measurements. Lastly a final comment was made that there was always a desire to go back and fourth with software measurement to see if you could get a better final result. Enjoy your new software and report back. If at all possible I think that using your methods that you have followed in setup than making a short video of the music followed by a video using the software would be the best way to make a comparison that others will be able to make a preliminary decisions on moving ahead with this setup method.

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