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  • #16
    Wouldn't a well cut , engineered, and pressed d2d Lp have a better S/N ratio than a tape made from same session?
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    • Skylab
      Skylab commented
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      Only as a way of simplifying the total chain. And that doesn’t have anything to do with tape as a playback medium having superior S/N ratio over vinyl

    • Tapetech
      Tapetech commented
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      At the frequency extremes (like 10KHz and 100Hz), a professional tape deck using SM900 or ATR tape trounces any vinyl rig. I would guess 10dB more dynamic range at those frequencies.

    • MylesBAstor
      MylesBAstor commented
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      JC there’s still limitations with the lathe and recording process.

  • #17
    Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post
    Wouldn't a well cut , engineered, and pressed d2d Lp have a better S/N ratio than a tape made from same session?
    When? The latest tapes have 9 dB less noise than the tapes that were standard when Dollby A became popular. That is roughly spanning 20 years (mid 60s to 80s) to 499 etc.

    Overlooked is that the d2d is third generation at best while the tape retail product could be second generation.

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    • #18
      Add Dolby SR into the equation and you get 105 dB S/N dynamic range on CCIR (according to the Dolby 363 SR/A manual)

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      • #19
        Originally posted by Mike Lavigne View Post

        that's about how i would explain the A-820 <-> vinyl difference too. although i'd say any decent 1/2" tape transfer does typically surpass even the best vinyl. 15ips 1/2" is just a breed apart. 15ips 1/4" compared to the vinyl is as Dre explains.
        Yet with all things being equal even 1/4 inch tape always wins because it sounds the same from start to finish, has better dynamics and frequency extremes and the bass isn’t mono’d. Most of all just has more information. Sure there’s lots of lousy tape transfers out there.

        What is interesting is that hat LPs can give the “impression” of having more body and standing out in bold relief. But that’s because they lack the same sense of ambience and sense space of tape.
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        • #20
          Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post

          Yet with all things being equal even 1/4 inch tape always wins because it sounds the same from start to finish, has better dynamics and frequency extremes and the bass isn’t mono’d. Most of all just has more information. Sure there’s lots of lousy tape transfers out there.

          What is interesting is that hat LPs can give the “impression” of having more body and standing out in bold relief. But that’s because they lack the same sense of ambience and sense space of tape.
          i have to disagree. i think vinyl as a format has so many areas where it's not optimized.....that we think we know the ceiling....then that ceiling gets blown away. i think that if i compare vinyl <-> 1/4" tape from 12 years ago (when my Studer A-820 and Ampex ATR-102 first arrived) in my system compared to vinyl <-> 1/4" tape now it is a far different picture. the 1/4" tape now must be primo-primo to rise above a good pressing. and my best 45 rpm pressings are a force of nature....eye to eye with very fine tapes.

          active isolation for the whole signal path plus my new Durand Tosca tonearm have changed the space time continuum on this issue. kinda scary really. and i'm as all-in with RTR as anyone.

          just my 2 cents of course.

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          • #21
            Originally posted by Mike Lavigne View Post

            i have to disagree. i think vinyl as a format has so many areas where it's not optimized.....that we think we know the ceiling....then that ceiling gets blown away. i think that if i compare vinyl <-> 1/4" tape from 12 years ago (when my Studer A-820 and Ampex ATR-102 first arrived) in my system compared to vinyl <-> 1/4" tape now it is a far different picture. the 1/4" tape now must be primo-primo to rise above a good pressing. and my best 45 rpm pressings are a force of nature....eye to eye with very fine tapes.

            active isolation for the whole signal path plus my new Durand Tosca tonearm have changed the space time continuum on this issue. kinda scary really. and i'm as all-in with RTR as anyone.

            just my 2 cents of course.
            Mike, if you haven’t already you should listen to the Doshi tape pre in your system and see if you still feel the same way. Nick’s pre is by far the best out there and brings tape to a different level.
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            • #22
              Originally posted by dminches View Post

              Mike, if you haven’t already you should listen to the Doshi tape pre in your system and see if you still feel the same way. Nick’s pre is by far the best out there and brings tape to a different level.
              my King Cello is going into Charles King in September for an upgrade to add meters and pots to more finely adjust it. it has an interface advantage over other tape repro's in my system since it has the 50 ohm BNC 'zeel' outputs that allow my 11 meter cables to sound great to my dart pre on the other side of the room.

              once that is done i might get the Doshi from Ki Choi to try and see how it compares. but it will have to deal with a long balanced cable.

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