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    The much rumoured new RtR machine will be from ReVox after all. Good thing I'm not a gambler. my money was on Nagra.

    13fcdb481d by jdza, on Flickr





  • #2
    See 😎

    http://www.audionirvana.org/forum/th...37-coming-2017
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    • #3
      OOPS ! Late again. Sorry.

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      • #4
        Interesting,

        ​As was mentioned on the other thread, it looks very much like the Lyrec Frieda.

        Judging by the slim profile, I doubt that they can fit "Studer-series" motors - maybe the "Revox series" motors. If a "totally new design" opine that it might use digital stepper-type supply/takeup motors. Plus a small DC servo motor with a belt drive capstan. Submit that it won't be "pro" if it doesn't have constant tension operation. As others also pointed out there is a lot NOT shown.

        And SO - will there also be a (switchable?) direct PB head output, or have they "licked" the playback electronics "situation"?

        ​Charles


        ps also looks like an analog Nagra may be baaacck.
        Last edited by stellavox; 05-08-2016, 12:40 PM.

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        • #5
          Charles

          You will know far better than I but why would the "ReVox" have the small roller on the far right if it is not a tension roller and thus a constant tension machine? I do not see the cutouts for the rollers to slide in though,so either this machime is far more advanced than I think or it is a looong way from reality.

          Nagra T with, I assume, modern tape control electronics (Windows?) and modern Nagra Audio circuitry. Nagra does build tube amps now! Nagra charges $25k for their DAC. What will the T Audio go for? $125k?

          The new magic amount in audio was $180k a year or two ago. Now it seems to be $300k. Can't be...can it? It is Swiss, it is almost a mechanical watch.
          Last edited by JDZA; 05-08-2016, 01:19 PM.

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          • #6
            Just a few updates about the new machine:
            1. The Horch House/Revox machine's North American debut will be at this year's RMAF.
            2. The new machine's transport will be based around, but modified, Studer B67.
            3. Heads and electronics will incorporate current, up to date technology.
            4. The machine will be manufactured in Bratislava. (coincidentally where Volker has just relocated to.)
            5. Volker hasn't determined how the machine will be marketed as of now.

            Oh and in three months, Horch House will release what will probably become the biggest selling reel-to-reel tape ever. Ever.
            Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
            Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
            ________________________________________

            -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
            -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
            -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
            -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
            -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
            -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
            -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
            -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
            -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
            -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by stellavox View Post
              Interesting,

              ​As was mentioned on the other thread, it looks very much like the Lyrec Frieda.

              Judging by the slim profile, I doubt that they can fit "Studer-series" motors - maybe the "Revox series" motors. If a "totally new design" opine that it might use digital stepper-type supply/takeup motors. Plus a small DC servo motor with a belt drive capstan. Submit that it won't be "pro" if it doesn't have constant tension operation. As others also pointed out there is a lot NOT shown.

              And SO - will there also be a (switchable?) direct PB head output, or have they "licked" the playback electronics "situation"?

              ​Charles


              ps also looks like an analog Nagra may be baaacck.
              Yes, despite denials to the contrary over the last couple of years, rumors abound about Nagra releasing a new machine too. Isn't that better for all!?!?
              Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
              Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
              ________________________________________

              -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
              -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
              -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
              -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
              -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
              -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
              -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
              -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
              -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
              -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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              • #8
                Thanks Myles

                The A67/B67 were Studer versions of the Revox A700. Their design date from the early 70s. They were in turn replaced by the A 810/A 812.The latter were very similar in mechanical design to the B67 but electronically more complex. It would make perfect sense to develop the concept of the B67 for a smaller market than the A 810. The only criticism a current owner can level at the A/B67 would the the one-off chips used in transport control. I'm sure the electronic control bits would be modern anyhow.

                This would indeed then be a constant tension machine ,one quite a step above the prosumer B77/PR99. Like all Studer and Revox machines it would have 3 motors and probably no belts as the counter will surely be electronic. In Revox guise the A700 was mostly criticized for its less than stellar audio circuitry but the transport was always highly praised.

                This is going to be a great machine. If they can do it at that price with those cosmetics and good audio. Wow.Wow Wow.

                An A67

                a67 by jdza, on Flickr
                Last edited by JDZA; 05-08-2016, 05:58 PM.

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                • #9
                  Cool but is the price Cool

                  Just a thought how many tapes would you need to order before they would give you a deck
                  Last edited by Garth; 05-08-2016, 06:17 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Garth View Post
                    Cool but is the price Cool

                    Just a thought how many tapes would you need to order before they would give you a deck
                    OK so let's look at what a leading prosumer machine from the good olde daze cost. IIRC, the Technics 1500RS retailed new for $1500. So plug $1500 in, select 1975 and then see what that would be in 2016 dollars. The envelope please? $6639. And the purchaser is most likely getting a better machine than what sold in the '70s, certainly when it comes to heads and electronics. So the answer is yes, someone buying the Horch House/Revox deck will be getting their money's worth and more.

                    Remember too, tape was always much more expensive than were records. A two track tape in 1960 cost $20 and that was just for one side of the LP. So multiply that times two and a two track tape cost $40 in 1960 while the commensurate record cost $1.99. Oh yes, that $40 tape comes out to $321 today, not all that different than what The Tape Project charges for their tapes.
                    Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                    Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                    ________________________________________

                    -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
                    -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
                    -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                    -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
                    -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                    -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                    -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                    -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                    -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                    -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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                    • Garth
                      Garth commented
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                      So not getting it for free

                    • MylesBAstor
                      MylesBAstor commented
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                      Well the story went that anyone buying a ML5 R2R also received a complete set of Mark's recordings on tape. But I never found anyone who had an ML5 who knew anything about these tapes. So that appears to have been an unfounded rumor.

                  • #11
                    Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post
                    Just a few updates about the new machine:
                    1. The Horch House/Revox machine's North American debut will be at this year's RMAF.
                    2. The new machine's transport will be based around, but modified, Studer B67.
                    3. Heads and electronics will incorporate current, up to date technology.
                    4. The machine will be manufactured in Bratislava. (coincidentally where Volker has just relocated to.)
                    5. Volker hasn't determined how the machine will be marketed as of now.

                    Oh and in three months, Horch House will release what will probably become the biggest selling reel-to-reel tape ever. Ever.
                    Thanks for the info, Myles. Really interested to see how this develops. Especially the last part!
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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by allenh View Post

                      Thanks for the info, Myles. Really interested to see how this develops. Especially the last part!
                      Yeah I can't see anyone owning a tape deck not buying this upcoming release.
                      Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                      Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                      ________________________________________

                      -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
                      -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
                      -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                      -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
                      -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                      -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                      -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                      -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                      -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                      -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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                      • allenh
                        allenh commented
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                        And maybe even some who don't own one yet!

                    • #13
                      Very interested in the rumours about a new Nagra T. Hope to learn more about this. If true, would be fantastic to forward feedback to Nagra as they refine design ideas. I use a nagra t and it is an amazing machine but for playback purposes, there are numerous improvements that could make a new version even better.

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