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  • Got my first Groove Note tapes

    Just got Anthony Wilson and Bernie Wallace on Groove Note, these are incredible sounding tapes. I should be surprised because every Groove Note lp that I own is wonderful but these tapes really bring it to a whole new level. A little pricey at 600 an album but well worth it and get this even the music is good LOL.
    I'd gladly pay a $1000 for a couple of albums that I like if they sounded like these. Could you imagine Little Feat or The Dead or Neil Young or..........
    System 1- Wilson Alexia 2, Pass XA100.8, Pass XP-32, Pass XP27 phono, Esoteric K1, G1, N05, Avid Acutus Ref with SME V and Koetsu Onyx, Studer 807 with Flux heads, J-Corder flux heads direct balanced output, Doshi 3.0 tape preamp,Modified Revox PR99, Teac X-2000M, Kimber Selects, Cardas Clear Beyond power.
    System 2 - Magnepan 3.7, Magnepan MMG (rear), Rel sub, Pass X-250.5, Marantz (rear), Pass XP-22, Parasound preamp, Vendetta Phono SCP-2T, SME 20/3 with SME V & Lyra Atlas & Titan I, OPPO 205, Sony SCD-5400ES, Revox B-77, Kimber Selects
    System 3 - Luxman L-505 UXII, Project Classic SP, Hana SL, JBL L-100 Classic, Oppo 205

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    I think the reason you don't see rock as often on reel tape is it is generally not as well recorded as classical or jazz.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post
      I think the reason you don't see rock as often on reel tape is it is generally not as well recorded as classical or jazz.
      no. it's because the cost of the rights to legally make tapes of any vintage iconic rock title is off the scale.....along with the fact that no recent rock title is analog based. unlike recent jazz/vocals from small labels like Groove Note.

      plenty of iconic rock titles are well recorded, just ask someone who acquires tapes of them on the grey market.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mike Lavigne View Post

        no. it's because the cost of the rights to legally make tapes of any vintage iconic rock title is off the scale.....along with the fact that no recent rock title is analog based. unlike recent jazz/vocals from small labels like Groove Note.

        plenty of iconic rock titles are well recorded, just ask someone who acquires tapes of them on the grey market.
        I stand by my statement. ROCK is GENERALLY not as well recorded as jazz and classical. Of course there are some exceptions.
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        • MylesBAstor
          MylesBAstor commented
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          More exceptions than you think. Of course, as I previously mentioned, I do grade rock, jazz and classical recordings on a different curve.

      • #5
        Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post

        I stand by my statement. ROCK is GENERALLY not as well recorded as jazz and classical. Of course there are some exceptions.
        well.......whether rock is not well recorded is one question and not the point you made initially.....and whether rock not being well recorded is the reason you don't see tapes of it is another question.....which is what you said in your initial post. if you were in the neighborhood I would invite you over, we could play some rock tapes, and then you could tell me what you thought.

        and........there is zero chance that legal tapes of the right iconic rock titles would not set off a stampede to purchase tapes should they be available easily. trust me, recording quality would not be much of an issue....and would not ever be what held them back. good tapes from the golden age of rock are amazing.

        might I agree that generally jazz and classical might have better sonics? generally I would lean that way yes. but that is not saying that there are not quite a few great sounding tapes of rock. what you generally see is that cut to cut variability is greater with rock. some are really excellent.....then on the same album others are crude. and my guess it's the degree of variability of the drugs taken.
        Last edited by Mike Lavigne; 10-06-2016, 10:28 AM.
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        • #6
          Generally I'll agree that rock is not as well recorded as Jazz and Classical but I do know that a dub of the master will sound better than most lp's of that album but I'd rather listen to a copy of my favorite album rather than what "sounds great".
          System 1- Wilson Alexia 2, Pass XA100.8, Pass XP-32, Pass XP27 phono, Esoteric K1, G1, N05, Avid Acutus Ref with SME V and Koetsu Onyx, Studer 807 with Flux heads, J-Corder flux heads direct balanced output, Doshi 3.0 tape preamp,Modified Revox PR99, Teac X-2000M, Kimber Selects, Cardas Clear Beyond power.
          System 2 - Magnepan 3.7, Magnepan MMG (rear), Rel sub, Pass X-250.5, Marantz (rear), Pass XP-22, Parasound preamp, Vendetta Phono SCP-2T, SME 20/3 with SME V & Lyra Atlas & Titan I, OPPO 205, Sony SCD-5400ES, Revox B-77, Kimber Selects
          System 3 - Luxman L-505 UXII, Project Classic SP, Hana SL, JBL L-100 Classic, Oppo 205

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          • #7
            Rock, Jazz and Classical... If we are talking about tapes reissues (master copies) costing $450/$500 or more, I'm sure they would be great music and recorded well or they would not sell. Who would bother to release a compromised tape?

            Some of the Rock music on tape that I heard at Mike L's place I would gladly pay $1000 for (if I had the money) as they were so good, that they TOTALLY blew my mind. And those tapes defined what is possible in high end audio reproduction. The best of the best Period.
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            • #8
              Played both tapes for two friends today and both are ordering them. They were blown away by the sound quality
              System 1- Wilson Alexia 2, Pass XA100.8, Pass XP-32, Pass XP27 phono, Esoteric K1, G1, N05, Avid Acutus Ref with SME V and Koetsu Onyx, Studer 807 with Flux heads, J-Corder flux heads direct balanced output, Doshi 3.0 tape preamp,Modified Revox PR99, Teac X-2000M, Kimber Selects, Cardas Clear Beyond power.
              System 2 - Magnepan 3.7, Magnepan MMG (rear), Rel sub, Pass X-250.5, Marantz (rear), Pass XP-22, Parasound preamp, Vendetta Phono SCP-2T, SME 20/3 with SME V & Lyra Atlas & Titan I, OPPO 205, Sony SCD-5400ES, Revox B-77, Kimber Selects
              System 3 - Luxman L-505 UXII, Project Classic SP, Hana SL, JBL L-100 Classic, Oppo 205

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              • #9
                Originally posted by TommyTunes View Post
                Played both tapes for two friends today and both are ordering them. They were blown away by the sound quality

                That's great Tommy. Wait until you hear the new tapes from Chad!
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                • #10
                  Ordered the other Anthony Wilson yesterday. Really superb stuff. Also contacted Greg at UHA, thought it may be time to upgraded to a UHA deck.
                  System 1- Wilson Alexia 2, Pass XA100.8, Pass XP-32, Pass XP27 phono, Esoteric K1, G1, N05, Avid Acutus Ref with SME V and Koetsu Onyx, Studer 807 with Flux heads, J-Corder flux heads direct balanced output, Doshi 3.0 tape preamp,Modified Revox PR99, Teac X-2000M, Kimber Selects, Cardas Clear Beyond power.
                  System 2 - Magnepan 3.7, Magnepan MMG (rear), Rel sub, Pass X-250.5, Marantz (rear), Pass XP-22, Parasound preamp, Vendetta Phono SCP-2T, SME 20/3 with SME V & Lyra Atlas & Titan I, OPPO 205, Sony SCD-5400ES, Revox B-77, Kimber Selects
                  System 3 - Luxman L-505 UXII, Project Classic SP, Hana SL, JBL L-100 Classic, Oppo 205

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by TommyTunes View Post
                    Ordered the other Anthony Wilson yesterday. Really superb stuff. Also contacted Greg at UHA, thought it may be time to upgraded to a UHA deck.
                    You can't go wrong going with one of Greg's decks!
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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by TommyTunes View Post
                      Just got Anthony Wilson and Bernie Wallace on Groove Note, these are incredible sounding tapes. I should be surprised because every Groove Note lp that I own is wonderful but these tapes really bring it to a whole new level. A little pricey at 600 an album but well worth it and get this even the music is good LOL.
                      I'd gladly pay a $1000 for a couple of albums that I like if they sounded like these. Could you imagine Little Feat or The Dead or Neil Young or..........
                      Only because I made the mistake because there wasn't any info on the box. The Groove Notes are NAB EQ.
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                      Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
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                      -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
                      -Goldmund Telos 300 stereo amp
                      -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                      -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
                      -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                      -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                      -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                      -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                      -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 6, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                      -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.1+ platforms.

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                      • #13
                        I personally believe both opinions are correct concerning Rock re-issues: recording quality and royalties. By the way, with many fellow tape enthusiasts I have spoken to, are more interested in having internationally known artists re-issues than what they call "obscure" artists on small labels. Well, at least that's what they say. On the audiophile side, is all the contrary. Me personally: BOTH. Regards.
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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by Mike Lavigne View Post

                          ...the cost of the rights to legally make tapes of any vintage iconic rock title is off the scale...

                          Vbr,

                          Sam

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by Mike Lavigne View Post

                            ...the cost of the rights to legally make tapes of any vintage iconic rock title is off the scale...

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                            Then how did they manage to issue so many rock tapes in the 60's and 70's?
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