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    Would you trust the purchase of a higher end cart that has had a cartridge re-tip from Soundsmith? Any experiences?

  • #2
    a phono cartridge is not something I would want to buy second hand, no matter how cheap the deal.
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    • #3
      sometimes on retips they replace the entire cantilever, in that case, youre getting a Frankencart.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post
        sometimes on retips they replace the entire cantilever, in that case, your getting a Frankencart.
        I have what you'd call a "Frankencart" its a Koetsu Rosewood with a complete rebuild from Andy at Needle Clinc (new cantilever/stylus) it sounds better than I recall it ever did, even when new.
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        • #5
          Lloyd Walker has had some of his customers send damaged cartridges to Soundsmith with exxcellent results. Lloyd says they often sound better than the original.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Rob View Post

            I have what you'd call a "Frankencart" its a Koetsu Rosewood with a complete rebuild from Andy at Needle Clinc (new cantilever/stylus) it sounds better than I recall it ever did, even when new.
            No doubt the results of a Frankencart can exceed the original design, but I believe they can also fall short of the original too.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post

              No doubt the results of a Frankencart can exceed the original design, but I believe they can also fall short of the original too.
              Possibly in some cases but not Peter/Soundsmith The man is a genius. And I am not saying that glibly.

              Now will ill it sound like the original is another story?

              I think Trust is asking though will the cartridge stand the test of time. I think that Soundsmith stands by their work and owners should experience normal cartridge life expectancy and trouble free operation.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by advanced101 View Post
                Would you trust the purchase of a higher end cart that has had a cartridge re-tip from Soundsmith? Any experiences?
                Glad to have another analog lover aboard!

                Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
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                -Goldmund Telos 300 stereo amp
                -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
                -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 6, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.1+ platforms.

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                • #9
                  Thanks. I think if the cart were a total rebuild I would be less hesitant. This was just a re-tip, which I imagine is more complicated. The seller offers a 7 day return policy. Enough time to get it under a microscope and play test.

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                  • #10
                    If its only the tip, and the suspension is good, and the work was done by Soundsmith. Yes.
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                    • #11
                      This is the cart in question, says 250 hours. Thoughts?
                      https://www.audiogon.com/listings/ca...3593-verona-wi

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                      • tom_hankins
                        tom_hankins commented
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                        I wouldn't take the chance on this cartridge. Are you locked in a Dynavector?

                      • advanced101
                        advanced101 commented
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                        I would like to try Dynavector or Koetsu. I know they are different, just trying to expand my cartridge experiences. Currently have a Lyra Skala, and have had an Ortofon. I do have a Dynavector 20XH coming in to give a try.

                      • tom_hankins
                        tom_hankins commented
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                        I used to keep alot of cartridges around. I've owned some of both. XV-1s, XXI MKII, 17D3, Karat from Dynavector. The RSP and Black from Koetsu. I've also had the Delos and Kleos here. A lot of these were here at the same time, or close to it. Others too. If you have any questions about the differences I heard between any of them you can message me and I will help all I can.

                    • #12
                      Originally posted by advanced101 View Post
                      This is the cart in question, says 250 hours. Thoughts?
                      https://www.audiogon.com/listings/ca...3593-verona-wi
                      PASS! Besides its way too expensive for a 3rd party re-tipped cartridge.

                      david
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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by david k View Post

                        PASS! Besides its way too expensive for a 3rd party re-tipped cartridge.

                        david
                        What would be an appropriate price, not trying to low ball the guy.

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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by advanced101 View Post

                          What would be an appropriate price, not trying to low ball the guy.
                          It's basically worth less than or about the price of the re-tip, I wouldn't pay more than $300-$400 max for it. Very different story if it was refurbished by the factory, in that case you're basically getting a new cartridge. You have no idea what you're buying here, and you'll have the same problem if you had to sell it again.

                          david
                          Last edited by david k; 08-26-2016, 12:35 PM.
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                          • #15
                            Thanks for the help everyone. I ended up finding a slightly used Benz LP-S, based off recommendations from this forum. Will be interesting to compare to my Lyra Skala when it comes back from a rebuild.

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                            • david k
                              david k commented
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                              Enjoy! It is a very different flavor from your Lyra.
                              david

                            • tom_hankins
                              tom_hankins commented
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                              Congratulations, hope it's what your looking for. 4+ years of bliss with mine.

                            • MylesBAstor
                              MylesBAstor commented
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                              You'll enjoy the Benz. Very nice midrange.
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