Contenders in the $2.5K range?

[tom_hankins Forum Leader Find all posts View Profile Close tom_hankins]

The suspension on my Benz LP-Smr is starting to sag. I'm going to run it until the wheels fall off then trade it in for a new one.
In the mean time I'm looking for a back up in the $2.5K range or less. I see the Zyx 4D on Audiogon for 2400.00 from Sorasound but know nothing about this cartridge. I also saw a new in box Kiseki Purple NS for 2500.00. I have only read about, but never heard this either. Another is the MKIII version of the Shelter 901. Any info on these three, or others in the price range? I will only buy new.
The arm used is SME V

[Analog21 Forum Leader Find all posts View Profile Close Analog21]

I saw that new in box Purple Heart too, and another dealer told me the dealer is a bit shady, so I passed on it (if it is NY Sound and Vision). I would just be sure and be careful all is good with it. Would hate to see you get burned or something. He isn't an authorized dealer for Kiseki or Transfiguration and other brands, yet has new carts to sell them? I asked how he got them and wouldn't divulge the information. Something just didn't seem right about it. I'd also be worried about buying a Kiseki new also since the warranty is void if you don't buy from an authorized dealer. That being said, I bought a lightly used Kiseki Purpleheart from a friend/dealer I know and waiting to mount it on my VPI table. I'm waiting for a different counterweight that I need for it. Should be up and running next week hopefully. I haven't heard it in person either, so this will be my first experience with it.

[tom_hankins]

This one is from Greenwich Ct. Good feedback since 2003. But who knows? Please let me know your thoughts on the Kiseki when you get it mounted. Have you spent any time with any Zyx cartridges?

[Analog21]

That sounds more legit then. I will let you know about the Kiseki for sure. My other carts to compare are Ortofon, Transfiguration, and Soundsmith. What are you looking for in a cartridge? What are your sonic tastes? Neutral, Dynamic, warm/rich, etc?

[tom_hankins]

Looking for a cartridge to play alot of different music without bringing attention to itself. Not looking for bells and whistles. My last three fulltime cartridges were LPS (now), Dyna XV-1s, Koetsu Rosewood Sig. Platinum. I prefer the LPS of the three. I'm not looking for something better than the LPS at half the cost. Just 6-8 week full timer and emergency back up.

[Joe Pittman Premier Club Member Find all posts View Profile Close Joe Pittman]

I have a new/sealed box Charisma Audio Reference Two available (I am a dealer). Contact me if interested. I'm not sure what Myles thinks about it, as I don't know if he has published his review yet?

[tom_hankins]

This looks interesting.

[tom_hankins Forum Leader Find all posts View Profile Close tom_hankins]

So no info on the Zyx 4D w/ silver base? I'm surprised I don't know anyone who uses or has used Zyx cartridges? They have a ton of models in every price range and usually get great reviews. I'm not sure if its justified, but it makes me kind of hesitant to try one.

[Rob Premier Club Member Find all posts View Profile Close Rob]

A lot of good carts mentioned. I tend to go the other way asking myself what works best with the arm I have. I acquired a Sumiko Pearwood from the first owner that had it mounting in a SME V and it was very synergistic, it also worked very well in the Graham Phantom I had at the time.

[tom_hankins]

I've had good-great results with several brands and asst. models with SME. The only cartridge i felt didnt perform up to its potential was the Koetsu Jade i tried with it. The Rosewood platinum worked very nice though. Ive had 3 Dynas, 2 Lyras, 3 Benz work great, although i didnt like them all. I dont put that on the arm, just personal taste.

[Goheelz Premier Club Member Find all posts View Profile Close Goheelz]

Following this thread. I'm looking to replace a Dyna XX-2 MkII some fine day, fairly soon. It was around $2K. I moved up from a lesser Dyna cartridge (17d something or other). And I've liked it, and it's better, but then I'm getting curious about options around the same price range. Soundsmith? Koetsu? Kiseki? Lyra? So difficult to know what's going on with cartridges, isn't it? I say, I realize, this as a lowly non-dealer among a fair number of connected industry folks.

[tom_hankins]

The XX2 MKII is on my list. I've owned one in the past and liked it. Left my room unlocked one time and the dreaded cleaning lady got it. Gave me an excuse to get the XV-1s.

[MylesBAstor]

Given you liked the Dyna, the Lyra would seem right up your alley.

[Per Sundell Premier Club Member Find all posts View Profile Close Per Sundell]

I've been using the Kiseki Purple Heart NS for a few months. It's good but not great. More senior reviewers praise it but I do not really see why. It's not bad but ... I dunno ... For my tastes it's tad too lean and analytical. So far tested on two TTs and four different arms, SME V among them.

[tom_hankins]

Thanks, lean (even a little) won't work for me. Its off my list.

[Per Sundell]

Just a TAD lean ... It may work well in your system Tom!

[tom_hankins]

I'll wait to hear more opinions.

[mep SUPER MODERATOR Find all posts View Profile Close mep]

I've been using the Kiseki Purple Heart NS for a few months. It's good but not great. More senior reviewers praise it but I do not really see why. It's not bad but ... I dunno ... For my tastes it's tad too lean and analytical. So far tested on two TTs and four different arms, SME V among them.

If it sounds too lean on an SME V, it must really be anorexic.

[tom_hankins]

Agreed

[MylesBAstor Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close MylesBAstor]

So no info on the Zyx 4D w/ silver base? I'm surprised I don't know anyone who uses or has used Zyx cartridges? They have a ton of models in every price range and usually get great reviews. I'm not sure if its justified, but it makes me kind of hesitant to try one.

I thought the ZYX 4D was the same as the Omega line? Too many lines and I get confused. I reviewed the ZYX Omega gold and copper as well as the Universe II. ZYXs have a familial signature and of the ones you mentioned, maybe the closest in sound to your Benz. ZYX are pleasant, a touch warm but really musically engaging. Pretty good imaging and staging too.

Shelter is is good but my experience is that different models may favor one type of music over another. I thought the Harmony was better on classical while the 9000 better with jazz and rock. Now can't speak for the Shelter you were thinking about but might wanna check.

One cartridge not on your list and not sure anyone has heard is the Air Tight PC-7. Another less expensive alternative to check out might be Steve Leung's VAS. Performance in the vein of Ortofon, not quite as resolving. But very neutral and transparent.

[tom_hankins]

They told me the omega was internally different than 4D. So many models and variations of those models, hard to keep up.

[MylesBAstor]

Ok thanks for the info!

[tom_hankins]

I thought the Omega was the 4D with the silver base and the ball on the front to add even more weight to the super lite 4D. But not so according to Sorasound.

[jonathanb Forum Leader Find all posts View Profile Close jonathanb]

For the price, I don't think one can go wrong with a VAS Nova whether the stock 0.8 mV model($1500) or the slightly more expensive (but still less than $2000 last I checked) 0.4 mV Nova Signature. The Soundsmith Zephyr MIMC Star is another overachiever in the same price range.

[cpp Forum Leader Find all posts View Profile Close cpp]

For the price, I don't think one can go wrong with a VAS Nova whether the stock 0.8 mV model($1500) or the slightly more expensive (but still less than $2000 last I checked) 0.4 mV Nova Signature. The Soundsmith Zephyr MIMC Star is another overachiever in the same price range.

Got that right, I heard one on my VPI table and was shocked on how good it was. Its on my list to purchase.

[mep SUPER MODERATOR Find all posts View Profile Close mep]

For the price, I don't think one can go wrong with a VAS Nova whether the stock 0.8 mV model($1500) or the slightly more expensive (but still less than $2000 last I checked) 0.4 mV Nova Signature. The Soundsmith Zephyr MIMC Star is another overachiever in the same price range.

what is the compliance of the cartridge?

[MylesBAstor]

12.

[jonathanb Forum Leader Find all posts View Profile Close jonathanb]

Here's the spec sheet:

[jonathanb Forum Leader Find all posts View Profile Close jonathanb]

So what is the cm/Dyne compliance of the above listed cartridge?

[MylesBAstor Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close MylesBAstor]

I've tried for a while to get a Nova out of Steve (he was going to bring it premounted on a VPI arm) but nothing has happened. I guess he's selling as many as he can make. BTW, Steve will build the cartridge to any output one needs. My buddy got a higher output since he has an older phonostage and the one listed comes in at 0.4 mV.