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  • Do Cartridges Still Favor One Type of Music Over Another?

    There was a time not so long ago that certain cartridges sounded better on classical than rock or jazz music. Or vice versa. Do you still find that to be true, not true or never true?
    Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
    Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
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    Not sure Myles because I have one arm and one cartridge. It happens to be one favoring acoustic music although it still sounds good with rock. Can't you influence the result by the choice of your phono stage and your load and gain setting?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by 1morerecord2clean View Post
      Not sure Myles because I have one arm and one cartridge. It happens to be one favoring acoustic music although it still sounds good with rock. Can't you influence the result by the choice of your phono stage and your load and gain setting?
      And your preamp and your amp/s and your speakers and your various cables and…
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    • #4
      I think the latest cartridges have a house sound as much as they always have had. However, average quality has improved in direct proportion to the ever increasing prices. Of the cartridges I have tried, some have excelled at classical on others at rock. I was raised on rock, so I prefer cartridges with attitude, dynamics, power and slam. Some cartridges can have amazing refinement, micro detail and infinite dynamic gradation to separate complex music into well, music, which makes great classical playback. I'm still on the hunt for the perfect cartridge that can do it all, sort of like combining the best aspects of a hooker and Miss America... Ravel Bolero and Deep Purple Smoke On The Water...
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      • #5
        Originally posted by Joe Pittman View Post
        "... I'm still on the hunt for the perfect cartridge that can do it all, sort of like combining the best aspects of a hooker and Miss America...".
        qualifications for my next wife...that, and one will go for a prenup

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        • #6
          Originally posted by Joe Pittman View Post
          I think the latest cartridges have a house sound as much as they always have had. However, average quality has improved in direct proportion to the ever increasing prices. Of the cartridges I have tried, some have excelled at classical on others at rock. I was raised on rock, so I prefer cartridges with attitude, dynamics, power and slam. Some cartridges can have amazing refinement, micro detail and infinite dynamic gradation to separate complex music into well, music, which makes great classical playback. I'm still on the hunt for the perfect cartridge that can do it all, sort of like combining the best aspects of a hooker and Miss America... Ravel Bolero and Deep Purple Smoke On The Water...
          I listen to ~75% classical and the other 25% everything else. Classical music also appreciates "attitude, dynamics, power..." and "amazing refinement, micro detail and infinite dynamic gradation to separate complex music". (I don't use the 'slam' word.)

          Maybe there are cartridges with an affinity to genres though I've never bought one for a specific type of music. I'd welcome people posting their experience on which cartridges work well or better with a particular genre.

          If it is the case that some cartridges work better with certain genres, is it the case that certain turntables work better with certain genres? After all, the cartridge is responsible for only one axis of the musical wave form.

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          • bonzo75
            bonzo75 commented
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            From whatever carts I have heard, and there are many I have not, I totally agree with the "attitude, dynamics, power..." and "amazing refinement, micro detail and infinite dynamic gradation to separate complex music"

            Additionally one thing I shut off immediately on is if the cart is rolled off, like Koetsu. I need the higher timbre on Violins. That said, I do like the SPU anniversaries for certain things, such as tone and body on individual instruments like piano, wind, etc…my ideal cartridge would be an anniversary SPU with the higher end and resolution of the Atlas. The Zyx Uni Premium and Mike’s GFS on the Telos did very well but I would want my ideal cartridge at close to SPU price

        • #7
          A really good cart doesn't favor rock or classical, it can do either with ease...
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          • #8
            I would not recommend the Kiseki Purpleheart for rock, but it is pure bliss for classical, jazz, acoustic, etc. I would imagine certain Koetsu models to be the same.

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            • JCOConnell
              JCOConnell commented
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              If it can truly handle the full power of the orchestra, it should be able to handle a rock band

            • Analog21
              Analog21 commented
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              All carts can handle the genres, but whether it sounds sonically pleasing with one genre over another is another matter imho

          • #9
            I listen to a lot of vocals and would say without doubt that the Grado wood body Reference/Statement cartridges excel at them. So, do cartridges favour certain aspects? I guess they do.
            Dynavector DV20x2L MC cartridge - Genesis G7.1f speakers - Marantz Reference PM-KI-Pearl Int. Amp. - Oracle Audio Paris MkV turntable - Various Morrow & Valab/King cables

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            • JCOConnell
              JCOConnell commented
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              favoring a frequency band is not the same as favoring a genre.

            • Johnny Vinyl
              Johnny Vinyl commented
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              Yes. In the truest sense, but I listen to a lot of acoustic and vocals from every genre, so I thought I'd post it up.
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