New (used) phono stage guidance

[JCOConnell]

try to get an audition of "the grail". the dynamics are amazing and hearing is better than reading about it.

[Andy from Harvard]

Hi Everyone

thanks for such thoughtful replies on my question - very inciteful and shows the value of the forum! I’ll continue to do more reading on different phono stages.

As I’d said I’m looking for increases in transparency imaging and palpability - basically an upgrade.

I use symposium platforms under my turntable (ultra with stillpoints) and under the Herron (super plus with roller blocks) - I was really surprised at the improvements I got with the Herron, given that I’m on a concrete slab. I use Telefunken tubes in the Herron with a Shunyata python CX power cord - I think i have it in an optimal set up.

Although right now I’m just using Decca/London carts I am interested in others and a stage with additional inputs could be useful down the road.

I hadn’t considered the Grail before, have to do more reading on that one.

thanks again guys

Andy

[kcin]

I believe the Allnic H3000 is not going to beat the Herron in any parameter. A friend and dealer here who probably sells more Allnic than anyone in NA loves the line up - I have heard these iterations. you have to move up to at least the 5000 to reach a level that will challenge the Herron. At the end of the day you have to like it and ideally have to hear it.
The 7000 is quite unique and I can see how one could be drawn to it... I am keeping my 3 box Io Eclipse.

[JCOConnell]

the SS VdH "The Grail" phono stage beats the Tubed herron, which is already excellent in its own right. But "the grail" is twice the price at $8K

[Rob]

The Londons like to be loaded at 33k, if your Herron only offers 47k at the MM input it may not reach its potential. I like the Herron a lot, id be surprised if the Allnic is a step up SQ-wise. The three Allnic pieces I had here erred on the 'tubey' side and not the most resolving. If you also listen to LOMC carts the XP25 will be more flexible than the Allnic, IMO.

[1morerecord2clean]

I think the first question is what about the Herron you liked? Then proceed to better it with a replacement. Do you want more loading options? More gain? Solid state this time or staying with tubes or a hybrid? Thinking outside of the box, you didn’t mention what your turntable is sitting on? I am a great believer in engineered platforms like HRS, SRA, and Symposium. They can make a huge improvement to your sound. Your Herron is a nice piece of gear. Your system is interesting and I’m sure a terrific listen.

[Slowgeezr]

It's so subjective. Personally, I love the BAT phono amps. Like you, I have read reviews on both of the preamps you mention and I have heard the H3000 in a very well sorted, very expensive system. It was not to my taste, but may very well be to yours. When I heard the Allnic a step or two above the H3000 (5000 or 7000) I was taken aback at how good it was.

[Andy from Harvard]

Hi All

its been a long time since I posted, although I check the site everyday.

I'm planning on moving on from my Herron VTPH2a phonostage, so looking for any guidance on my top 2.

For context my system is London reference mounted on an SME 312S/ Technics SP10 mk2, Herron vtph2a, Wyetech Opal, VTL MB450, Sound Lab M1 speakers.

From where I am today, I’m looking for additional transparency, improved imaging/ sound staging and palpability.

My short list is the Allnic H3000 and Pass XP25, on the used market of course. I’ve read very review and most comments on both of these, however I haven’t found a compare and contrast between the two?

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

cheers

Andy