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  • Something odd and new

    Ok. This is a strange one but a close audio friend in the biz found this and emailed it to me. Make of it what you will.

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  • #2
    This was on demo at CAF and was on my bucket list of things to investigate but ran out of time. I am a little confused when he says it doesn't make contact with the spindle. I understand it doesn't sit in the LP but it has to rest somehow on the spindle. It can't magically float above the spindle.

    Is is it hocus pocus? I don't think so. Will it vary in effect from table to table? Record to record? (Depending on how tight the record center hole was cut) Quite possibly. But I just think it is acting as a sink for vibrations/noise transmitted through the spindle/bearing. (People used to use stethoscopes to check on bearing noise right?) Interestingly, the HiFi Tuning center clamp is not heavy and only has three extremely small contact points with the LP. Yet its effects are unmistakable. http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue52/analog.htm

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post
      This was on demo at CAF and was on my bucket list of things to investigate but ran out of time. I am a little confused when he says it doesn't make contact with the spindle. I understand it doesn't sit in the LP but it has to rest somehow on the spindle. It can't magically float above the spindle.

      Is is it hocus pocus? I don't think so. Will it vary in effect from table to table? Record to record? (Depending on how tight the record center hole was cut) Quite possibly. But I just think it is acting as a sink for vibrations/noise transmitted through the spindle/bearing. (People used to use stethoscopes to check on bearing noise right?) Interestingly, the HiFi Tuning center clamp is not heavy and only has three extremely small contact points with the LP. Yet its effects are unmistakable. http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue52/analog.htm
      It looks to me that the diameter of the doohickey is way greater than the diameter of a spindle and it's obviously much taller than a spindle. Think of it as a spindle house and you can see why it doesn't come into contact with the spindle.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by mep View Post

        It looks to me that the diameter of the doohickey is way greater than the diameter of a spindle and it's obviously much taller than a spindle. Think of it as a spindle house and you can see why it doesn't come into contact with the spindle.
        I might be dense but it has to contact the spindle somehow since it doesn't touch the record. It has to rest on something. Unless I misunderstood the review.
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        -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
        -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
        -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
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        • #5
          It is touching the record, just not the spindle.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by mep View Post
            It is touching the record, just not the spindle.
            Thanks, I have to go back and reread the review. For that matter, the HFT clamp barely touches the spindle too.
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            -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
            -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
            -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
            -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 6, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
            -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.1+ platforms.

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            • #7
              It does touch the record. The hole is bigger than the spindle. I bought one from the company owner at one of our meetings.

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              • MylesBAstor
                MylesBAstor commented
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                OK my reading comprehension is off today. I need to go back and reread the piece. I'm not sure what the story is then.

              • 1morerecord2clean
                1morerecord2clean commented
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                Ok. Enough suspense. You bought one. And?

              • Asamel
                Asamel commented
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                It's a pretty tough call, these kind of things are always very difficult for me to hear a difference. It doesn't have a lot of weight so I often use it with an outer ring. I'm also getting to know some new speakers. For me all my clamps sound pretty much the same but I'll keep listening and let you know.

            • #8
              How stable are they? The thought of one spinning around on a spring suspended table ready to tip over and wipe out a $6K cartridge, is a scary thought.
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              • Asamel
                Asamel commented
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                No problem with stability, they just turn with the record. A friend said he worried that he would drop it on his foot.

            • #9
              Originally posted by Asamel View Post
              It does touch the record. The hole is bigger than the spindle. I bought one from the company owner at one of our meetings.
              So do you have any thing to say about the sound quality while using it? Did it increase the sound quality or decrease it or could you even hear a difference?

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