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    Is design the holy grail?

    As an example of design the Cue turntable makes a bold statement in a very different direction than Kronos and similar designs. And yet it stakes a claim to similar standards and results delivered. Has anyone heard it yet to offer us their impressions?
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    http://www.onkk.co.uk/cue/
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    I think it will be shown for the first time in the UK at the National Audio Show this weekend.
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      Originally posted by TheNoose View Post
      As an example of design the Cue turntable makes a bold statement in a very different direction than Kronos and similar designs. And yet it stakes a claim to similar standards and results delivered. Has anyone heard it yet to offer us their impressions?
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      what results are those? A lot of manufacturers claim to be different, time will tell if the Cue is special or an also ran. Glancing at the spec sheet I didn't spot any design features that are unique to the Cue.
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        It certainly is striking visually. Hopefully the white platter doesn't pick up black from vinyl.
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          Originally posted by TheNoose View Post
          As an example of design the Cue turntable makes a bold statement in a very different direction than Kronos and similar designs. And yet it stakes a claim to similar standards and results delivered. Has anyone heard it yet to offer us their impressions?
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          http://www.onkk.co.uk/cue/
          I think there's a point where one exceed the limits of the equipment commonly used criteria to measure turntable specs. Or say at least macro speed fluctuations. But then there's micro speed fluctuations and how do you correct for these speed variations. Sometimes correcting for speed fluctuation too rapidly can be as bad as correcting too slowly.

          And speed control is just one of many variables that go into turntable design (besides obviously arm and cartridge).
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            Originally posted by 1morerecord2clean View Post
            It certainly is striking visually. Hopefully the white platter doesn't pick up black from vinyl.
            That pic not accurate

            it's a total copper platter...
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            Last edited by TheNoose; 09-17-2016, 11:59 AM. Reason: Corrected object reference, thanks for your feedback.
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              Metamatic commented
              09-17-2016, 10:32 AM
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              Plinth or platter? Plinth is black.

              Web site says plinth aluminum. No mention of platter. If it is copper - that is super heavy and coupled to a DD motor?
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              1morerecord2clean commented
              09-17-2016, 11:32 AM
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              Yes. The plinth is black and the platter in this photo is apparently all copper. If you open the site shown in the original posting the photo shows a copper platter from the side but white on top. Which is correct?
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              Steve Lefkowicz commented
              09-18-2016, 03:35 AM
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              Looks like they have a white platter mat of some kind in teh top photo. Maybe an achroplat?
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            Reference corrected in my original post. Thanks for the correction. 🙏
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          • #8
            One thing that catches my eye. Putting speed controls, etc. on the right side of the table under or near the cartridge is asking for trouble.
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            -Goldmund Telos 300 stereo amp
            -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
            -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
            -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
            -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
            -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
            -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
            -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 6, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
            -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.1+ platforms.

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