The topic of wire conductor material came up in the SME thread and thought that it deserved its own thread. Know there's lots of people with strong opinions on both sides of the fence regarding type of wire used in IC and speaker cables, power cords and tonearm wires. What's everyone's experience with wires in their systems and what are you currently (NPI) using?
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What's Your Preference? Silver, Copper, Silver Plated Copper (and More) Wires?
Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
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-Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
-Goldmund Telos 440 and 1000 Nextgen mono amps
-Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
-Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
-VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
-VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
-Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, vdh Colibri Master Signature, Mutech Hayabusa,
-Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
-Assorted cables including Skogrand, Kubala-Sosna, Audience FrontRow; Audience FrontRow, Genesis Advanced Technologies , Goldmund and Ensemble Power Cords
-Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.3+ platforms.Tags: None -
stranded 20 GA silver wire on my interconnects. I'm not sure what kind of wire is in my tonearm wand and base (graham 2.2) very heavy gauge (not sure of actual number) braided copper wire for my speaker cables bi wired,
Magnepan 1.6 QR Loudspeakers, Amherst A-2000 MOSFET 150 WPC Amp, Conrad Johnson PV-10A Modded Tube Line & Phono Stage, Electrocompaniet MC II Class A Head Amp, Audio Technica AT-OC9XML Cart (Stereo) , Graham Engineering 2.2 Tonearm (Stereo) , VPI Aries-1 Turntable (Stereo) , VPI Clamp, Denon DL-102 Cart, (Mono) , Luxman Tonearm (Mono) , Kenwood KD-500 Turntable (Mono) , Michell Clamp, Marantz 20B Analog FM Tuner, Pioneer SACD, Onkyo DX-6800 CD Transport, DIY 24B/192K DAC, Sennheiser HD-650 Headphones, Headroom Max Balanced Headphone Amp, DIY Silver Interconnects -
I do not like silver-only wiring for IC's and Speaker cable. It adds too much brightness for my liking. My tonearm is copper-wired with a silver Litz ground. My Phono cable is silver-coated copper, as are my speaker cables.Dynavector DV20x2L MC cartridge - Genesis G7.1f speakers - Marantz Reference PM-KI-Pearl Int. Amp. - Oracle Audio Paris MkV turntable - Various Morrow & Valab/King cables👍 1Comment
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It has been a long time since I had silver cables in my system. Currently using all MIT Oracle and Magnum which I believe are all copper. Many years ago experimented with Audioquest hybrid silver/copper speaker cables and pure silver as well. At the time I found pure silver too bright and I didn't like the hybrid for other reasons. My system was completely different so I have no idea today how I would react to different materials. I guess sometime down the road I will try other cables.Turntable: TW Acustic TT with Ref motor & controller; Tri-Planar Arm; Transfiguration Proteus Cartridge (repaired and re-tipped by AnaMightySound), Massif Record Weight, PS Audio Stellar Phono Preamp; KLAudio Ultrasonic Record Cleaner.
Digital: Bluesound Vault-2 Music Server & Streamer
Amplification: VTL 6.5 preamp Series II, Pass Labs 150.8 Amp
Loudspeakers: Piega C711 Loudspeakers
Isolation: Symposium Osiris Rack; Symposium Platforms and Roller Blocks and grade 2.5 Balls
Misc: Acoustic Revive RR-888 Low Frequency Pulse Generator, Synergistic Research 12 UEF SE Line Conditioner, Level 3 HC AC Cord and Level 3 Atmosphere power cords, Synergistic Carbon fiber wall plates, Synergistic Research Orange Outlet, Furutech NCF Booster Braces, synergistic Research Galileo and Atmosphere X Euphoria Level 3 Balanced ICs, Synergistic Research Euphoria Level 3 Speaker Cables, Synergistic Research Cable Risers.
Sennheiser HDV 650 Headphone Amp; Sennheiser HD800s Headphones.👍 2Comment
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It has been a long time since I had silver cables in my system. Currently using all MIT Oracle and Magnum which I believe are all copper. Many years ago experimented with Audioquest hybrid silver/copper speaker cables and pure silver as well. At the time I found pure silver too bright and I didn't like the hybrid for other reasons. My system was completely different so I have no idea today how I would react to different materials. I guess sometime down the road I will try other cables.Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
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-Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
-Goldmund Telos 440 and 1000 Nextgen mono amps
-Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
-Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
-VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
-VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
-Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, vdh Colibri Master Signature, Mutech Hayabusa,
-Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
-Assorted cables including Skogrand, Kubala-Sosna, Audience FrontRow; Audience FrontRow, Genesis Advanced Technologies , Goldmund and Ensemble Power Cords
-Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.3+ platforms.Comment
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No Myles. My Tri-P uses a trapped copper cable. I can't experiment there unless I send the arm back to Tri and have him change it to a cable ready box. When I ordered the arm Tri thought the dedicated wires supplied were better than a configuration enabling use of different wires. That was 8 years ago. I have spoken to Tri many times over the years but not about that subject. -
Ahh....now I remember.You are probably better off eliminating that junction box. Next arm I get will be direct wired out but the whole wand and wire will be switchable.
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My cable is hard wired Myles. No junction box here.
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I think silver works well for low level signals like cartridge and tonearm.
For ICs and speaker cables, I have no clue what's inside and don't really have an opinion as long as they sound great. The MIT Oracle IC and speaker cables I bought 15 years ago were the best sounding I could find at the time. Whatever Brisson is doing seems to work.Thiel 7.2s, Manley NeoClassic 250s, Wadia 850, MIT Oracle V3 speaker cables, MIT MI-350 Oracle interconnects, Black Diamond Racing Shelves and Cones in a dedicated room with ASC Tube Traps, Room Tunes and 3 X 20 amp dedicated circuits.👍 1Comment
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I always preferred the Silver offerings from Audioquest over just about anything I had heard, never really thought of them as Silver cables, just good cables. I am now moving towards all Kubala cables. (speaker & ICs) Never really think of them as silver or copper either.SOURCE: VINYL - EAT C-Sharp with, EAT LPS power supply, My Sonic Lab Signature Gold
DIGITAL - Mola Mola Tambaqui DAC. Roon Nucleus w/EAT Lps power supply. Auralic Aires G1
PHONOSTAGE: AudioNet PAM G2 with AudioNet EPX power supply.
PREAMP: Audionet PRE G2.
AMPLIFIER: Audionet MAX monoblocks.
SPEAKERS: YG Acoustics Anat III Signatures (upgraded to Sonja 1.2) JL Audio F112 V2 (x2)
CABLES: Kubala-Sosna, Kubala Sosna Xpander.....Audio Desk Systeme RCM, Adona Rack, GIK & Acoustimac room treatment, Isoacoustics👍 1Comment
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I stay with copper.
Silver is kind of hit and miss and to date, I have not been able to pinpoint which is which.
We have feedback from our own customers which reflected my personal experience too.
Some systems went up a notch, so to speak, with silver while others went downhill pretty quick with just 1 silver cable plugged in.Hugh Nguyen
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I believe it is all copper what ever Cardas is using I have been buying.
I have heard silver used to good effect .
I am not a big fan of using wire as tone controls if I could I would like a clean signal as short as I can make it.
I am not sure anyone understands what the length thickness strand size braid twist coatings all do to the signal and sound but they all seem to have an effect.
On wooden blocks or fishing line the effect is not big in my system.
I would tend to lean toward copper the devil I know best.👍 1Comment
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The topic of wire conductor material came up in the SME thread and thought that it deserved its own thread. Know there's lots of people with strong opinions on both sides of the fence regarding type of wire used in IC and speaker cables, power cords and tonearm wires. What's everyone's experience with wires in their systems and what are you currently (NPI) using?
I've had my system wired with 100% copper, silver clad copper blends of copper + silver + gold and 100% silver.
My current system is all silver. Head shell wires are silver, internal tonearm wire, DIN to RCA tonearm cable, all interconnects (XLR), biwire speaker cable, AC cables and USB cable. I believe Focal Grande are silver caps, silver wire and silver solder in their crossover. Only thing copper is internal wiring of each component and my electrical outlets.
Visitors typically remark that my system is slightly warm. Many say musical. I don't believe sound of cable can be predicted based exclusively on the metals used in their construction.👍 3Comment
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I'm a big fan of silver, particularly with my Audio Note gear, but I have copper or silver-plated copper cables of different types where I needed something cost effective for a long run or where I felt that a pure silver sounded too bright (which is rare for me).Transrotor Rossini Turntable w/Jelco SA-750DB
Audio Note Io Gold Cart. w/AN-S9 SUT
Audio Note CDT-Four Transport/Woo WDS-1 DAC
Ayre QX-5 Twenty Dig. Hub & 13” MacBook Pro w/Roon w/Melco N1A NAS
AN OTO Phono SE Signature Int. Amp w/AN-E SEC Silver Speakers w/Murata Super Tweeters
Purple J-Corder 1520 R2R and Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Deck
PSAudio P10 AC Regen./Equi=Tech Bal. Transformer
Harmonic Technology, Audio Note, Kondo Sound Labs, Stealth, AQ Cables
Woo GES w/Sfax SR-507 Headphones👍 1Comment
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Never liked the sound of silver wires anywhere in the system and still don't, I know that I've rejected equipment in the past and found out later that there was silver in their construction. Something is always unnatural and hifi sounding to me when silver is present. To be honest I turned away from highend wires completely years ago in favor of some basic mass market copper ones and stopped selling them to my customers completely, I find that they do too much or too little for what they cost!
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I believe it is all copper what ever Cardas is using I have been buying.
I have heard silver used to good effect .
I am not a big fan of using wire as tone controls if I could I would like a clean signal as short as I can make it.
I am not sure anyone understands what the length thickness strand size braid twist coatings all do to the signal and sound but they all seem to have an effect.
On wooden blocks or fishing line the effect is not big in my system.
I would tend to lean toward copper the devil I know best.Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
________________________________________
-Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
-Goldmund Telos 440 and 1000 Nextgen mono amps
-Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
-Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
-VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
-VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
-Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, vdh Colibri Master Signature, Mutech Hayabusa,
-Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
-Assorted cables including Skogrand, Kubala-Sosna, Audience FrontRow; Audience FrontRow, Genesis Advanced Technologies , Goldmund and Ensemble Power Cords
-Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.3+ platforms.👍 1Comment
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Does anyone have any love for Siltech cables that are silver and gold?Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
________________________________________
-Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
-Goldmund Telos 440 and 1000 Nextgen mono amps
-Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
-Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
-VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
-VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
-Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, vdh Colibri Master Signature, Mutech Hayabusa,
-Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
-Assorted cables including Skogrand, Kubala-Sosna, Audience FrontRow; Audience FrontRow, Genesis Advanced Technologies , Goldmund and Ensemble Power Cords
-Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.3+ platforms.👍 1Comment
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