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  • #16
    Originally posted by user510 View Post

    If I can DIY it I tend to. I'm using blocks of 2-inch thick foam rubber cut into a V-block shape. Rubber as an electrical insulator. Ceramic and glass would also insulate. The object is to mitigate induction of static electricity that may or may not be within the carpet. Wood, by the way, is a conductor.

    This foam was acquired from a foam supplier that tends to market to upholstery shops. Y-20 is what they called it. My cutting method was crude. I used a serrated bread knife as the instrument of my butchery.
    -Steve
    PS: system photo is a bit out of date. I'm not using, at the moment, the TD124 in slate, nor the laptop.
    Wood is only a conductor while it is alive with sap inside and it's roots in the ground, and even then it is the poorest conductor, however salt water is and distilled water is not, if you spray the foam with distilled water it will help to eliminate the static in the air.

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    • user510
      user510 commented
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      I suppose; if the goal is to mitigate the induction of static electricity from the carpet into the cables, it is enough to lift the cables off the carpet with just about any material. Those who have stood on wood flooring while receiving an electric shock will require some evidence to suggest just how poor a conductor wood actually is. First hand experience being memorable. Yet, if they had been standing on a thick rubber mat there would have been no shock....

      re: salt water vs distilled water. It certainly makes sense to use distilled water to clean records...and after cleaning, records do appear to be static free.

      -Steve

    • don
      don commented
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      Wood does not and will not conduct electricity,( unless it is wet and it will still have poor conductivity) it also is not a grounding conductor, quite possibly they were grounded to something else if they in fact felt a shock while standing on wood, it was not due to
      the wood, the distilled water saturated on the foam adds humidity to the air which disperses static electricity ( low humidity increases static electricity ) which is why when it gets very cold the static electricity runs rampant, ( I was just being humorous when I said to do that )

      I am a retired Electrical Design Engineering Contractor after 45 years in business, when we would work in power vaults where the live cables ran in free air we had to be exceptionally careful, take a guess at what we laid on the concrete floor so we would be insulated from the ground.

    • Bodhi
      Bodhi commented
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      I use Acoustic Revive RCI-3H cable risers for my Jorma Statement sc's. They use mahogany and hickory woods with a compartment filled natural ores incl: quart and tourmaline crystals and Lithia tourmaline powder. According to AR the hard woods offer natural/organic tone & the compartment of ores absorb electromagnetic waves and radiated noise from the cable (incl: static electricity). Jeff Day reviewed these risers & posted a pic of a riser opened up in the Acoustic Revive Chronicles fyi.
      Last edited by Bodhi; 11-07-2017, 07:09 PM. Reason: typo

  • #17
    "Anyone lifting your cable?" Nope, doing it myself. I know, just couldn't help myself.

    What cable "lifting" that is done is more for dressing the cables than anything else, signal cables separated from power cables and crossing at 90 degrees if they have to cross. One thing I try to avoid is the typical rats nest of a cable loom found behind a lot of racks, one of the few things I am a neat freak about.

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    • user510
      user510 commented
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      I suppose we can get the Butler and kitchen staff to hold the cables up while we play some records. They were looking for work anyway.;-)
      (grins)
      -Steve

  • #18
    I am a big believer in elevating cables and power cords; the effects seem in my experience more pronounced with cables that are not well insulated. Case in point is the Nordost speaker cables which seem to benefit dramatically. Likewise, I suspect that the surface on which your cables sit may be a significant factor with carpets made from synthetic fibers being some of the very worst given the high degree of static which they can and often do generate.
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    • #19
      Originally posted by fcrowder View Post
      I am a big believer in elevating cables and power cords; the effects seem in my experience more pronounced with cables that are not well insulated. Case in point is the Nordost speaker cables which seem to benefit dramatically. Likewise, I suspect that the surface on which your cables sit may be a significant factor with carpets made from synthetic fibers being some of the very worst given the high degree of static which they can and often do generate.
      I think a big offender is the pad under the carpet. The carpet rubbing on pad can generate a tremendous static field and affect wires much like hair near a comb. It's not so much like a static discharge but static potential. I've removed the carpet pad under my amps and thought there was a slight improvement. [FWIW, my cables are designed to sit on the carpet to drain static fields from them so I don't need cable risers. In fact they sound worse with cable risers.]
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      • #20
        Xmas present for the well heeled or --? WTF!--$8k RRP for 8 "cable lifters"

        more like wallet relievers !


        Ansuz Acoustics DTC Cable Lifters for sale. Eight (8) Ansuz DTC Cable Lifters... These are top of the line cable lifters from Ansuz. They retail for $1,000 each. I am the original owner and used them to support DTC Speaker Cables. The lifter...

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        • fcrowder
          fcrowder commented
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          I will only say that ceramic insulators used in the past on telegraph and electrical poles work well and can be found at junk shops very cheaply.

        • Bodhi
          Bodhi commented
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          Do they come with a commercial espresso machine?

      • #21
        I'm impressed so many people are admitting to doing this. At one point this fell into an Enid Lumley type activity and those-who-know-better looked askance. But where there's a market there's a product and where there's a product in this case there's a bunch of DIYers. :-)
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        • #22
          Maybe I could convince myself that I can hear a difference if I do lift my cables. Perhaps I'll give it a try. I can understand the logic behind certain aspects of cable risers, but call me skeptical.

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          • #23
            I live on the 17th floor of my building. Does that count?🤓

            oh yes, I elevate my cables from the floor as well.
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            • #24
              I have all of my cables(Power & Speaker cables) on Shunyata Dark Field Elevators V2(One model before the current model with suspension). From a practical standpoint, it looks cleaner and I am less prone to tripping over cables on floor. The tripping aspect is important. Since I am frequently using high powered motorized products, it would confirm my wife's suspicions that she married a real dumb ass if I hurt myself playing music on my stereo. As far as improvements in sound, not hugely noticeable. As a test, I might try taking them all out and do an A/B comparison.
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              • #25
                Some of my cables are lifted...at least signal cables. Not all power cables though.
                Christian
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                • #26
                  Just for grins I looked at the prices of some cable lifters and had to laugh. I just go out into my shop, cut up some scrap walnut, drill a few holes, stain and lacquer it and voila, cables lifted and dressed. Cost, stuff that might have gone into the fireplace. Got a little fancier with a couple, routed a void and filled it with lead shot and silicon RTV. Lead shot is handy and inexpensive for various experiments with mass and dampening.

                  Maybe I'm just getting old and curmudgeonly, maybe a little more deaf (or not). But a lot of times it seems like the placebo effect is operating full force with a lot of tweaks.

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                  • Gusf
                    Gusf commented
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                    Did you hear a difference.

                  • Rust
                    Rust commented
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                    Gusf - To be honest, my wiring has always been neatly dressed, a carryover from work where everything was inspected two or three times to insure QA standards were met. That and I just don't like the typical rats nest I see in pictures all too often. Plus I believe in strain relief on connections.. So basically I haven't heard my systems with wiring on the floor or power and signal run parallel. And short runs are good runs.

                • #27
                  I use wood blocks from Ayre I raise them the cats lower them the cats are winning

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                  • user510
                    user510 commented
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                    Cats need distractions. Like a robotic vacuum cleaner. That should keep them off the sound system.
                    -Steve
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