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  • #31
    Originally posted by Andymodern View Post

    CH Precision D1 player was used. The idea is that if it is a good recording, no matter what kind of system we are using it will sound good. If it is a bad recording, a high end system can't change it to be better one. UHQCD is just like a "good recording". Since the UHQCD technology can physically reproduce the pits and lands of metal stamper perfectly on UHQCD, UHQCD can now provide master sound of the master source. So it will work from low end to high end system.
    Very nice.

    Let me try later today. I don't have regular RBCD to compare to, but I think I have a hybrid SACD version and will compare to the CD layer on that disc.
    Kronos Sparta -> Trinity Phono -> Trinity Pre -> CH Precision A1 -> Magico S7s

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    • #32
      Originally posted by allenh View Post

      Very nice.

      Let me try later today. I don't have regular RBCD to compare to, but I think I have a hybrid SACD version and will compare to the CD layer on that disc.
      Looking forward to hearing the result.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Andymodern View Post

        Looking forward to hearing the result.

        Ok, I played the CD and SACD layers of this SACD, Track 6 (A Man and a Woman):




        vs. the UHQCD version, same track. I did not have time to compare the entire album, track by track. I hope to do that next weekend.




        Let me get to the punchline: UHQCD wins hands down against both the CD and SACD layers. I think you guys know I like Jacintha alot. After playing the well mastered Groove Note LPs, the CD layer was difficult to listen to. The SACD smoother but still had glare. The UHQCD was just smoother, more refined, more continuous than both RBCD and SACD layers. Sustain of notes were more natural and less discrete. There was more texture to Jacintha's voice, more like the LP I listen to so often. I did not get a sense of increased soundstage width or depth, just better separation of instruments and vocals, as if the noise floor dropped on the recording. I would love my entire CD collection to sound like this!

        I had an audiophile friend of mine here on Friday to share some tunes. I wish I did this A/B exercise then just to get a second opinion. I hope to A/B the rest of the album next weekend. I also want to rip the UHQCD and the CD layer and compare them through my streamer and see if I still hear the same difference. But this quick test was very promising. I was beginning to buy more SACDs in the hope of better sound on the road. Maybe I will buy more UHQCDs instead now.

        Definitely worth a try IMO, especially if you have a predominately digital collection.



        Kronos Sparta -> Trinity Phono -> Trinity Pre -> CH Precision A1 -> Magico S7s

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        • #34
          Originally posted by allenh View Post


          Ok, I played the CD and SACD layers of this SACD, Track 6 (A Man and a Woman):




          vs. the UHQCD version, same track. I did not have time to compare the entire album, track by track. I hope to do that next weekend.




          Let me get to the punchline: UHQCD wins hands down against both the CD and SACD layers. I think you guys know I like Jacintha alot. After playing the well mastered Groove Note LPs, the CD layer was difficult to listen to. The SACD smoother but still had glare. The UHQCD was just smoother, more refined, more continuous than both RBCD and SACD layers. Sustain of notes were more natural and less discrete. There was more texture to Jacintha's voice, more like the LP I listen to so often. I did not get a sense of increased soundstage width or depth, just better separation of instruments and vocals, as if the noise floor dropped on the recording. I would love my entire CD collection to sound like this!

          I had an audiophile friend of mine here on Friday to share some tunes. I wish I did this A/B exercise then just to get a second opinion. I hope to A/B the rest of the album next weekend. I also want to rip the UHQCD and the CD layer and compare them through my streamer and see if I still hear the same difference. But this quick test was very promising. I was beginning to buy more SACDs in the hope of better sound on the road. Maybe I will buy more UHQCDs instead now.

          Definitely worth a try IMO, especially if you have a predominately digital collection.


          Absolutely fascinating Allen! Goes to what we've been saying that there's more life left in CDs than we gave them credit for. And maybe you don't need the Trinity DAC to get there either.

          What was the retail on the UHQCD?

          Would be fascinating to hear it through the Trinity though or a UHQCD/SACD. Or have Bruce run the CD vs UHQCD like he did with the Crystal disc.

          Maybe I'll get one or two to listen to also.
          Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
          Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
          ________________________________________

          -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
          -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
          -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
          -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
          -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
          -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
          -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
          -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
          -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
          -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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          • #35
            That was exactly my initial thought: Wow, I wonder what this would sound like w the Trinity Dac!

            The sound is what I think SACD would sound like: smoother and more refined than RBCD. I was surprised that I preferred the UHQCD over the SACD layer. I picked up 3 more UHQCDs tonight: 2 traditional Chinese instrumentals and the Faust/Carmen Suites (Lsc 2449). Really looking forward to the last one. Not cheap at $40-$50 per disc.
            Kronos Sparta -> Trinity Phono -> Trinity Pre -> CH Precision A1 -> Magico S7s

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            • #36
              Originally posted by allenh View Post
              That was exactly my initial thought: Wow, I wonder what this would sound like w the Trinity Dac!

              The sound is what I think SACD would sound like: smoother and more refined than RBCD. I was surprised that I preferred the UHQCD over the SACD layer. I picked up 3 more UHQCDs tonight: 2 traditional Chinese instrumentals and the Faust/Carmen Suites (Lsc 2449). Really looking forward to the last one. Not cheap at $40-$50 per disc.
              Yes it seems that Elusive Disc has the biggest selection of the big three music distributors here.

              http://audiophile.elusivedisc.com/se...=uhqcd&x=0&y=0

              I would definitely try that La Spagna disc. You know they definitely had the master to work with there, not a safety or worse.
              Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
              Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
              ________________________________________

              -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
              -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
              -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
              -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
              -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
              -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
              -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
              -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
              -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
              -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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              • #37
                what are you using as a cd player/transport-dac?
                Magnepan 1.6 QR Loudspeakers, Amherst A-2000 MOSFET 150 WPC Amp, Conrad Johnson PV-10A Modded Tube Line & Phono Stage, Electrocompaniet MC II Class A Head Amp, Audio Technica AT-OC9XML Cart (St) , Graham Engineering 2.2 Tonearm (St) , VPI Aries-1 Turntable (St) , VPI Clamp, Denon DL-102 Cart, (M) , Luxman Tonearm (M) , Kenwood KD-500 Turntable (M) , Michell Clamp, Marantz 20B Analog FM Tuner, Pioneer SACD, Onkyo DX-6800 CD Transport, DIY 24B/192K DAC, Sennheiser HD-300 Headphones, Headroom Max Balanced Headphone Amp, DIY Silver Interconnects

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post
                  what are you using as a cd player/transport-dac?
                  See post #29. Nothing earth shattering.
                  Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                  Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                  ________________________________________

                  -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
                  -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
                  -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                  -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
                  -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                  -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                  -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                  -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                  -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                  -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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                  • allenh
                    allenh commented
                    Editing a comment
                    Indeed. A Denon 1920 universal player that lists for $349. My Sonos streamer is about the same.

                • #39
                  Originally posted by allenh View Post


                  Ok, I played the CD and SACD layers of this SACD, Track 6 (A Man and a Woman):




                  vs. the UHQCD version, same track. I did not have time to compare the entire album, track by track. I hope to do that next weekend.




                  Let me get to the punchline: UHQCD wins hands down against both the CD and SACD layers. I think you guys know I like Jacintha alot. After playing the well mastered Groove Note LPs, the CD layer was difficult to listen to. The SACD smoother but still had glare. The UHQCD was just smoother, more refined, more continuous than both RBCD and SACD layers. Sustain of notes were more natural and less discrete. There was more texture to Jacintha's voice, more like the LP I listen to so often. I did not get a sense of increased soundstage width or depth, just better separation of instruments and vocals, as if the noise floor dropped on the recording. I would love my entire CD collection to sound like this!

                  I had an audiophile friend of mine here on Friday to share some tunes. I wish I did this A/B exercise then just to get a second opinion. I hope to A/B the rest of the album next weekend. I also want to rip the UHQCD and the CD layer and compare them through my streamer and see if I still hear the same difference. But this quick test was very promising. I was beginning to buy more SACDs in the hope of better sound on the road. Maybe I will buy more UHQCDs instead now.

                  Definitely worth a try IMO, especially if you have a predominately digital collection.


                  I had same result as yours. One of the audiophiles told me that UHQCD might be even better than LP in his system!

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                  • #40
                    Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post

                    Absolutely fascinating Allen! Goes to what we've been saying that there's more life left in CDs than we gave them credit for. And maybe you don't need the Trinity DAC to get there either.

                    What was the retail on the UHQCD?

                    Would be fascinating to hear it through the Trinity though or a UHQCD/SACD. Or have Bruce run the CD vs UHQCD like he did with the Crystal disc.

                    Maybe I'll get one or two to listen to also.
                    Hi Myles,

                    I haven't informed Bruce about the birth of UHQCD! I should do that soon!

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                    • #41
                      Originally posted by Andymodern View Post

                      I had same result as yours. One of the audiophiles told me that UHQCD might be even better than LP in his system!
                      heretic !
                      Magnepan 1.6 QR Loudspeakers, Amherst A-2000 MOSFET 150 WPC Amp, Conrad Johnson PV-10A Modded Tube Line & Phono Stage, Electrocompaniet MC II Class A Head Amp, Audio Technica AT-OC9XML Cart (St) , Graham Engineering 2.2 Tonearm (St) , VPI Aries-1 Turntable (St) , VPI Clamp, Denon DL-102 Cart, (M) , Luxman Tonearm (M) , Kenwood KD-500 Turntable (M) , Michell Clamp, Marantz 20B Analog FM Tuner, Pioneer SACD, Onkyo DX-6800 CD Transport, DIY 24B/192K DAC, Sennheiser HD-300 Headphones, Headroom Max Balanced Headphone Amp, DIY Silver Interconnects

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                      • #42
                        Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post

                        heretic !
                        L.P. and CD playback are different. Actually we don't need to draw any conclusion because one is apple, the other is orange!
                        Last edited by Andymodern; 05-31-2016, 11:11 PM.

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                        • #43
                          Received this note today from Fabio Camorani who has done some excellent reissues on the AudioNautes label including most recently the Bis recording La Spagna on both LP and UHQCD disc.

                          Hi Myles, I read on audionirvana that you should try La Spagna UHQCD vs SACD/CD. What Allen wrote on the comparison of Jacintha is what I heard and that's why I chose the UHQCD for La Spagna and not Gold CD anymore. Yes, I did it from the master tapes directly, it took many hours of setting but let me add this: the UHQCD is far better than the CD Gold mastered from the console!
                          Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                          Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                          ________________________________________

                          -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
                          -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
                          -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                          -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
                          -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                          -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                          -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                          -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                          -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                          -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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                          • #44
                            I am thinking of doing a comparison between the original LP, reissued LP and UHQCD of La Spagna but it apears the UHQCD isn't available yet.

                            Instead, it might be interesting to compare the Jacintha that Allen did using the tape, LP, CD and UHQCD using her rendition of "The Look of Love" present on all four media. Then hopefully the La Spagna might be available.
                            Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                            Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                            ________________________________________

                            -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
                            -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
                            -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                            -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
                            -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                            -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                            -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                            -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                            -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                            -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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                            • #45
                              Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post
                              I am thinking of doing a comparison between the original LP, reissued LP and UHQCD of La Spagna but it apears the UHQCD isn't available yet.

                              Instead, it might be interesting to compare the Jacintha that Allen did using the tape, LP, CD and UHQCD using her rendition of "The Look of Love" present on all four media. Then hopefully the La Spagna might be available.
                              Happy to lend you my UHQCD and hybrid SACD for the compare, Myles, just say the word!

                              I was at PrEx today and put down an SACD in the hope of an UHQCD reissue. Better than LP? I need to do that compare with Jacintha to believe that. But to my ears better than regular CD and SACD, the latter being a huge surprise.
                              Kronos Sparta -> Trinity Phono -> Trinity Pre -> CH Precision A1 -> Magico S7s

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