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  • Is The Digital Market Becoming Saturated?

    Same question, different medium. How many digital companies can the market support? How many different ways can manufacturers try and convince consumers that digital is still improving? We have 4x DSD, DXD, 24/192, etc. Is MQA the last gasp?
    Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
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  • #2
    Hard to say Myles someone will dream something new up and proclaim it the best thing yet. . All I know I'm not going to purchase anymore copies of the music I currently own. My originals are just that originals. I'll just stream the new flavor of the month.
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    • #3
      There are dacs that adapt with firmware this helps many keep current. Ps audio is one. of course Msb and lampi does the same by both updates in both firmware and board mods. Now for saturation there is four markets as I see it.
      Portible , midfi , hifi and ultra. The ultra is where I think saturation is occurring. Just read the list mike has tried lol.
      Midfi like ifi or shiit show great value above there price point. Hifi like ps audio is also great value at lower prices then ultra. In the ultra is where legends get formed.
      A compnay like Msb is top stuff and tried to go lower with the analog dac that I don't think ever really caught on. They seem to be stuck in the stratosphere. Lastly what dacs can get close to performance of the ultra dacs. I feel lampi does this and tube rolling gives more choices in sound scape.
      if companies stay in business they I guess there is enough to eat.
      analog stuff.
      otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
      otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
      sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
      new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
      thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
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      kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
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      • MylesBAstor
        MylesBAstor commented
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        Good points.

    • #4
      I've said this a thousand times before, but the average man in the street isn't even aware of all of the digital music formats and most people could care less. I think the uber DAC manufacturers are all fighting over the same customers.

      Digital has become far too complex in terms of software and hardware interfaces for the average person without a degree in computer engineering. I've lost track of how many rooms at audio shows I've been to where they couldn't get their digital up and running and open their doors or it crashed in the middle of a demo. The number of digital doo-dads that you have to keep adding to your digital chain of hardware seems to be growing like a malignant cancer.

      I think the days of enticing people to repurchase their digital music in another format are coming to an end. I don't think MQA is going to take the public by storm. The only thing digital ever had going for it was convenience and now it's losing that for those in the high-end.

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      • #5
        I can't make heads or tails out of all the options out there. Just give me a well-recorded, properly mastered and non-loudness wars compression on CD/SACD and that'll do me.
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        • rbbert
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          Good luck on that! It should be so easy, but the reality is something different unfotunately

      • #6
        Physical CDs and SACDs are all but dead in the marketplace. SACDs never even took off after being introduced (sort of) to the market. How many times can you convince the public that you have made "perfect" digital audio even more "perfect??"
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        • #7
          They may be dead, but there's enough out there to satisfy my needs. If new music in the digital domain only becomes available as a file, well...I guess I won't be hearing it. Just to be clear...that's a personal choice and not a condemnation of any sort.
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          • #8
            Allow me an alternate view hahaha my views are almost always altering views of others
            digital if done to its most is complex
            digital and spinning media is simple.
            Downloading digital is not complex anymore than a video game or even a movie once your playback is setup.
            Aurender amd many other servers makes digital simple
            much more simple then a turn table and all that goes with it and much cheaper. Then there's streaming an even more simplistic approach to a mega catalog of music.
            What it comes down to is are you willing to learn new things. This is something I have done all of my life
            google and you tube is your friend. Do you know your phone can play most dacs as a server
            at 60 and no computer science degree it's easy for me. I may misspell and who can read my tripe and understand it
            Lol. this alone should show you how easy it is.
            Although I do remember Myles getting crazy to play his ifi hahahahha.
            analog stuff.
            otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
            otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
            sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
            new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
            thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
            thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
            kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
            phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
            speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
            mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
            digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
            Dacs lampi various

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            • #9
              Originally posted by mep View Post
              Physical CDs and SACDs are all but dead in the marketplace. SACDs never even took off after being introduced (sort of) to the market. How many times can you convince the public that you have made "perfect" digital audio even more "perfect??"
              There is nothing perfect in audio. And for me while there is some really good all Lables vary. Only SHM seems to have a standard to go by. And also anolog productions as well.
              analog stuff.
              otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
              otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
              sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
              new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
              thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
              thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
              kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
              phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
              speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
              mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
              digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
              Dacs lampi various

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              • #10
                Your forum seems to be mostly made up of over 50 analog centric audiophiles Myles not sure how many of us have real interest in digital or even get excited about it. I'm with everyone else here, digital is still warring over formats and service providers with no end in sight, it's basically algorithms they're fighting over and that means that there will always be another one. The sheer number of digital companies and bs is mind numbing!

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                • #11
                  Originally posted by Alrainbow View Post

                  There is nothing perfect in audio. And for me while there is some really good all Lables vary. Only SHM seems to have a standard to go by. And also anolog productions as well.
                  Go listen to the SHM version of Steely Dan Gaucho and get back to me.
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                  • #12
                    I have them too. I bought a shit load of SHM. I also have many sacd. SHM blows them up every time find stevie wonder songs in the keys of life. I have this album 4 other formats. Nothing I mean nothing touchs it. And according to BRUCE it's simple they remix and leave the hell alone.
                    analog stuff.
                    otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
                    otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
                    sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
                    new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
                    thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
                    thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
                    kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
                    phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
                    speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
                    mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
                    digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
                    Dacs lampi various

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                    • #13
                      Black Sabbath and The Who too. All the best of them. I wish SHM did the Beatles
                      analog stuff.
                      otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
                      otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
                      sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
                      new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
                      thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
                      thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
                      kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
                      phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
                      speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
                      mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
                      digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
                      Dacs lampi various

                      Comment

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