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  • DSD Analog to Digital Converters (ADCs): Can You Hear A Difference?

    There is a lot of discussion around about which Analog to Digital Converter (ADCs) sounds the best.

    There are some Free Demo files on the web comparing the sound of different DSD ADCs.
    You can download these and see which sound the best to you.

    DSD Battle Royale ! - Modified Korg, Modified EMM Labs, Ayre, Mytek, Merging Horus, Grimm AD-1, Tascam
    http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showth...-Battle-Royale

    “A Midsummer Night’s Dream” by Ivan Fischer, the Budapest Festival Orchestra - Grimm AD1 vs. Merging Horus
    https://members.nativedsd.com/albums...lssohn-session

    “A Midsummer Night’s Dream” - What listeners on Computer Audiophile said (95 Comments)
    http://www.computeraudiophile.com/co...comments_start

  • #2
    Thanks I will. Who uses THE MSB one and do you have sample ?
    Thanks in advance
    analog stuff.
    otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
    otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
    sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
    new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
    thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
    thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
    kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
    phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
    speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
    mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
    digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
    Dacs lampi various

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    • #3
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      Originally posted by Alrainbow View Post
      Thanks I will. Who uses THE MSB one and do you have sample ?
      Thanks in advance
      I tried an MSB Platinum w/ Diamond PS at one time and it did excel at PCM recordings.

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      • #4
        Bruce so gals to see you post. Hope your getting better.
        It makes sense as it's pcm at the time was very good
        I have not heard the new select yet but I am willing to bet it's pcm is its strong point. I thought I read some where that a cat Stevens's album from acoustic sounds was done from tape to dsd with one ?
        analog stuff.
        otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
        otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
        sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
        new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
        thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
        thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
        kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
        phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
        speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
        mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
        digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
        Dacs lampi various

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bruce B View Post
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          I tried an MSB Platinum w/ Diamond PS at one time and it did excel at PCM recordings.
          I noticed that MSB is strictly playing PCM files at their audio show demos these days.
          Apparently they too have concluded the sweet spot of their DACs is with PCM files...

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          • #6
            lol I agree but it's very disappointing at there price point dsd being the format close to analog is not there strong point.
            Do you still own a lampi ?
            analog stuff.
            otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
            otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
            sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
            new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
            thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
            thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
            kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
            phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
            speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
            mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
            digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
            Dacs lampi various

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            • #7
              I have a fundamental problem with comparing samples from ADC's found on the net. It is no different to auditioning different speakers in different setups and trying to make out what is doing what. The chain and source material in-front of the ADC is the real deciding factor. The ADC is only the window. I get the best results passing everything through my slightly optimized CJ Premier 16 preamp's main circuits feeding these directly into my Apogee ADC. Call it a superior valve buffer? I think it's similar in effect to the big valve power amplifiers that drove the cutting lathes' heads in the glory days of vinyl.
              dCS Paganini 4-stack, Linn Sondek Cirkus Lingo Trampolin, Shelter 9000, EAR834p, CJ Premier 16LS Rohm Z-Foil, CJ Premier 12's Rohm Z-Foil Teflon KT120, Audio Exklusiv P3.1, JL Audio F113, Towshend Super Tweeters, Audio Exklusiv d.C.d Base, Feet, Silent Plugs. Cables: AudioQuest Sky, Volcano, Coffee AES/EBU, Furutech AG-12, Mains: Transparent Reference XL, Shunyata Python, PS Audio, Furutech plugs, PS Audio Dectet x 2, Hi-Fi Tuning Cryo & Fuses. Dedicated Mains Spur.

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              • #8
                It does seem playback is more important then converting
                I agree what's before the conversion matters much more.
                Playback can make or break any recording weather it's pcm or dsd as well. There are two MSB select dealers I know of in nyc I do plan to put some good stuff On a thumb drive and listen but a conclusion will not happen unless it's bad. How good is complex when it's on a whole new setup and one dealer I know is horrible on there setups even though it's equipment is top notch
                I think most who buy top shelf stuff just want it and buy it.
                Like buying the Mercedes AMG 65 over the 63
                analog stuff.
                otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
                otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
                sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
                new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
                thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
                thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
                kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
                phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
                speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
                mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
                digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
                Dacs lampi various

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Alrainbow View Post
                  Like buying the Mercedes AMG 65 over the 63

                  dCS Paganini 4-stack, Linn Sondek Cirkus Lingo Trampolin, Shelter 9000, EAR834p, CJ Premier 16LS Rohm Z-Foil, CJ Premier 12's Rohm Z-Foil Teflon KT120, Audio Exklusiv P3.1, JL Audio F113, Towshend Super Tweeters, Audio Exklusiv d.C.d Base, Feet, Silent Plugs. Cables: AudioQuest Sky, Volcano, Coffee AES/EBU, Furutech AG-12, Mains: Transparent Reference XL, Shunyata Python, PS Audio, Furutech plugs, PS Audio Dectet x 2, Hi-Fi Tuning Cryo & Fuses. Dedicated Mains Spur.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Alrainbow View Post
                    Like buying the Mercedes AMG 65 over the 63

                    SL63 all the way!!!

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                    • Doxycc
                      Doxycc commented
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                      E63 wagon. In case you are late taking your daughters soccer team to practice.

                  • #11
                    I knew my comment would get your attention. Enjoy it
                    analog stuff.
                    otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
                    otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
                    sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
                    new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
                    thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
                    thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
                    kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
                    phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
                    speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
                    mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
                    digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
                    Dacs lampi various

                    Comment


                    • #12
                      Anyone is welcome to stop and hear the MSB Select DacII on both PCM and DSD. I don't think after actually listening you would say that PCM is the strong point. PCM sounds very good, but so does DSD, ESPECIALLY native DSD. Don't trust me (I'm a dealer), come and hear for yourself.
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                      • #13
                        Hello I am Norman's friend al we emailed
                        I do want to hear it if ok by you.
                        Your not the bad place but I'll bet you know who they are now hahaha.
                        live to stop by
                        thanks I know and I will. I have a lampi but also a MSB PLAT plus 4 worth the diamond psi. It was good at the time
                        analog stuff.
                        otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
                        otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
                        sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
                        new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
                        thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
                        thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
                        kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
                        phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
                        speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
                        mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
                        digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
                        Dacs lampi various

                        Comment


                        • #14
                          Hey Al,

                          Would love for you to visit......I'm on my way out to visit with Alon at Magico this mid week, but will be back Thurs. and then have no trips planned for the upcoming future. Come on up...days, evenings or weekends work for me, whatever works for you best. Just let me know.
                          RHAPSODY.AUDIO

                          http://www.rhapsody.audio

                          Constellation Audio, Magico, Alsyvox, Bayz Audio, Diesis Audio, Kondo, VYGER, Pilium, Jadis, Taiko Audio - Extreme server, Aqua Acoustic Quality, Intona, AVM, Raidho, TechDAS, Lucxar, Critical Mass Systems, Zesto Audio, Aurender, TelluriumQ, CMS/Center Stage, Devialet, Lyra, Koetsu, Scansonics, REL Acoustics, Ortofon, Koetsu, Lyra, King/Cello tape preamps, Stillpoints, FVPowerBank, VYDA cables, Enklein, Kubala Sosna

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by Rhapsody View Post
                            Anyone is welcome to stop and hear the MSB Select DacII on both PCM and DSD. I don't think after actually listening you would say that PCM is the strong point. PCM sounds very good, but so does DSD, ESPECIALLY native DSD. Don't trust me (I'm a dealer), come and hear for yourself.
                            I would suggest anyone in the NY area take Bob on his offer. I'm going to talk more about the MSB Select II in my Magico M3 thread but let me say this. It does some things, using 2X DSD that you didn't think digital could do.
                            Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                            Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
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