I'm looking at upgrading my Primaluna HP Integrated and looking at some other tube integrated amps. One of them possible upgrades down the road is the Viva Audio integrated. They're cheapest model is the Solistino model, which is Class A 14 watts (at least reported). The next model is the Solista model which is 18 watts Class A. Some have told me that they will not have any trouble driving my Sonus Faber Olympica 3 speakers, 90-91db sensitivity/efficiency. What is really going on with these lower wattage tube amps that can drive speakers with wattage recommendations far higher, or is this still not recommended even though people are doing it? Not sure if some of you would not recommend the Viva for the Sonus Faber. Just looking for some input. Thanks.
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One thing to consider re Viva, and I came *this close* to acquiring a used set of mono blocks is the support is non existent unless you buy brand spanking new from the current dist. even Viva in Italy will not lift a finger.-
that is awful to here. There is not much about them here in the US. That's why I'm reaching out on the forum. Wondering if I can get by and will be ok with the lower wattage Solistino model and seems Viva's construction of its transformers and other triode delivery is different from other tube amp manufacturers. I have no idea what I'm getting into. A friend was using the Solista 18 watt model to drive Wilson Alexia's and they easily handled them. -
Room size is 24 x 14, 8 foot ceilings. Standard medium sized living room. I'm wondering if I'll be ok with the 14 watt Viva amp. The difference in price for those extra 4 watts to their next model is almost double the price. My average listening level on my Primaluna amp is 9:00 to 11:00 at the most.
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You're better off with something around the 50 watt range with your speakers, 18-20 watts not going to cut it.
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Then I guess my questions is how does it cut for Wilson Alexias, or Opera Loudspeakers which have the same efficiency and impedance as my speakers? It sounds wonderful on this setup, so obviously something is going on with the Viva Class A amps. I don't think it is that cut and dry. I used triode mode with EL34s from my Primaluna, and I see no problem with my Sonus faber speakers.
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Where are you located? Is their a Viva dealer nearby?Steve Lefkowicz
Senior Associate Editor at Positive Feedback
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You might call Dan Muzquiz at Blackbird Audio. He the SoCal Viva dealer (in Santee, CA). I believe he can ship as long as long as there are no authorized dealers in the area. More importantly, he's one of the most knowledgeable and and honest dealers you'll ever meet. He'll be able to give you an honest opinion regarding the matchup of the Viva amps with your speakers.
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Thanks Steve. Yes, I spoke with Dan. And he runs the low watts Solistino in his listening room. He thinks the 14 watt amp will drive my Sonus Faber's fine, which is why I posted this thread. Others obviously disagree that I will be fine. So not sure. -
What SL said. Dan is one of the good guys in this biz, I've known him for ages. Gary Koh should weigh in as I believe he used a Viva headphone amp (3 watts) to drive his speakers at Newport just to demonstrate that he could and he more than pulled it off.
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There's Quicksikver not so fashionable these days but always musical!
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Don't know about fashionable. Mike has always flown under the radar and never sought out magazine reviews. Reviewers bought a Quicksilver product in order to review it. -
I talked to Mike about reviewing an amp some years ago, and he simply said he sold all he could make, so didn't feel a review was worthwhile. He didn't want to increase demand that would delay delivery times.
Still want to try one of his preamps someday.
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Another integrated I recently heard worth checking out is Rogers Hi-Fi.Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
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I have SET monoblocks and an integrated that between them can push a total of 6 watts (4.5 and 1.5 respectively). My Tannoys are somewhere around 95db and both drive my speakers to as loud as I play them, which is nowhere near what some people do. Yes, I may be missing some of that control, and effortless that I could get with either a more efficient speaker or more power but either provides me the experience I enjoy.
I will throw in another plug for Dan!
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What ever amp you pic demo it. Being on the boarder line of power is not a sure thing. Also even if someone says it's fine try the same speakers with a more power amp as well you may be surprised. In headphones having enough to drive headphones matters greatly even if you don't use it. I had tried smaller amps on my rs1b and IRS v too
not counting woofer towers. Just the mid tweeters take on different tones and dynamics
I am not a pro audio guy but I have had many setups
underpower sounds nice until you try one that's got more
a very different view
hope this helps.analog stuff.
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Agreed! You absolutely must control the low end (woofer) if not you are wasting your time. SET amps with speakers that are efficient enough for the low power thay have are a match made in heaven! My amp puts out a whopping 2 wpc on it's best day but, my speakers are 118db efficient at 1 watt at 1 meter! Of course I have them padded down to 108db so all 3 drivers match!!! It is simple and stunning in sound quality, I can also run you right out of the house with this setup...Comment
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I have read that Efficient speakers have better dynamics and speed too. I like two basic types of speakers ribbons all my life and horns. Horns if done well have speed , aglility and dynamics. One of my favorite headphones is Hifi man he6. You need 15 watts at 8 ohms for them to have a full body
less sounds fine till you hear them right. They are 35 ohms varying a bit. It when you get them right they sing a song like a top end speaker system.analog stuff.
otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
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Sorry I should have mentioned my speakers are big horns, I wouldn't have anything else!!! Very fast and dynamic as you said!!!
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Has anyone here tried or own a VAC integrated amp? Trying to find a worthy tube integrated upgrade from my Primaluna and less of a lateral movement. Trying to find a tremendous value performer. Any other recommendations would be greatly appreciated.Comment
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