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    Audio Rack close to the amps and speakers or far away?

    Trying to reconfigure my main setup. I used to have my source and preamp near the listening chair for not having a remote (and being lazy). Now, I am rethinking if it is better to move all the gear close to the amps and speakers, keep the interconnect cables short.

    How do you have your sources and preamp positioned? Near or far away from your power amps/speakers?
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    Originally posted by Ki Choi View Post
    Trying to reconfigure my main setup. I used to have my source and preamp near the listening chair for not having a remote (and being lazy). Now, I am rethinking if it is better to move all the gear close to the amps and speakers, keep the interconnect cables short.

    How do you have your sources and preamp positioned? Near or far away from your power amps/speakers?
    By necessity my rack is centered between the speakers with 2.5 feet of margin to each speaker. I run a stereo amp which is in the rack. At floor level I have between the speakers and the rack my TT motor controller (left side) and my power conditioner (right side). My speaker cables are typical 8 footers and ICs are 1.5 meters each. I would take a photo for you but I think it will just come out the size of a fleas belly button here.
    Turntable: TW Acustic TT with Ref motor & controller; Tri-Planar Arm; Transfiguration Proteus Cartridge, Harmonix-Combak platter mat & weight; PS Audio Stellar Phono Preamp; KLAudio Ultrasonic Record Cleaner.
    Digital: Bluesound Vault-2 Music Server & Streamer
    Amplification: VTL 6.5 preamp Series II, Pass Labs 150.8 Amp
    Loudspeakers: Piega C711 Loudspeakers
    Isolation: Symposium Osiris Rack; Symposium Platforms and Roller Blocks and grade 2.5 Balls
    Misc: Acoustic Revive RR-888 Low Frequency Pulse Generator, Synergistic Research 12 UEF SE Line Conditioner, Level 3 HC AC Cord and Level 3 Atmosphere power cords, Synergistic Carbon fiber wall plates, Synergistic Research Orange Outlet, Furutech NCF Booster Braces, synergistic Research Galileo and Atmosphere X Euphoria Level 3 Balanced ICs, Synergistic Research Euphoria Level 3 Speaker Cables, Synergistic Research Cable Risers.

    Sennheiser HDV 650 Headphone Amp; Sennheiser HD800s Headphones.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by 1morerecord2clean View Post

      By necessity my rack is centered between the speakers with 2.5 feet of margin to each speaker. I run a stereo amp which is in the rack. At floor level I have between the speakers and the rack my TT motor controller (left side) and my power conditioner (right side). My speaker cables are typical 8 footers and ICs are 1.5 meters each. I would take a photo for you but I think it will just come out the size of a fleas belly button here.
      TT and motor on top of rack. CDP below that, preamp next, amp on bottom.
      Turntable: TW Acustic TT with Ref motor & controller; Tri-Planar Arm; Transfiguration Proteus Cartridge, Harmonix-Combak platter mat & weight; PS Audio Stellar Phono Preamp; KLAudio Ultrasonic Record Cleaner.
      Digital: Bluesound Vault-2 Music Server & Streamer
      Amplification: VTL 6.5 preamp Series II, Pass Labs 150.8 Amp
      Loudspeakers: Piega C711 Loudspeakers
      Isolation: Symposium Osiris Rack; Symposium Platforms and Roller Blocks and grade 2.5 Balls
      Misc: Acoustic Revive RR-888 Low Frequency Pulse Generator, Synergistic Research 12 UEF SE Line Conditioner, Level 3 HC AC Cord and Level 3 Atmosphere power cords, Synergistic Carbon fiber wall plates, Synergistic Research Orange Outlet, Furutech NCF Booster Braces, synergistic Research Galileo and Atmosphere X Euphoria Level 3 Balanced ICs, Synergistic Research Euphoria Level 3 Speaker Cables, Synergistic Research Cable Risers.

      Sennheiser HDV 650 Headphone Amp; Sennheiser HD800s Headphones.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by 1morerecord2clean View Post

        TT and motor on top of rack. CDP below that, preamp next, amp on bottom.
        Mine is the same.
        Hugh Nguyen
        ACA

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        • #5
          I have the stereo power amp close to the speakers (short speaker cables) but I have my preamp and sources off to the side with about a 12 foot cable running from the preamp to the power amp. The source component ICs are short to the preamp.
          Magnepan 1.6 QR Loudspeakers, Amherst A-2000 MOSFET 150 WPC Amp, Conrad Johnson PV-10A Modded Tube Line & Phono Stage, Electrocompaniet MC II Class A Head Amp, Audio Technica AT-OC9XML Cart (Stereo) , Graham Engineering 2.2 Tonearm (Stereo) , VPI Aries-1 Turntable (Stereo) , VPI Clamp, Denon DL-102 Cart, (Mono) , Luxman Tonearm (Mono) , Kenwood KD-500 Turntable (Mono) , Michell Clamp, Marantz 20B Analog FM Tuner, Pioneer SACD, Onkyo DX-6800 CD Transport, DIY 24B/192K DAC, Sennheiser HD-650 Headphones, Headroom Max Balanced Headphone Amp, DIY Silver Interconnects
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          • #6
            Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post
            I have the stereo power amp close to the speakers (short speaker cables) but I have my preamp and sources off to the side with about a 12 foot cable running from the preamp to the power amp. The source component ICs are short to the preamp.
            May I ask if the cable from your Pre to your Amp is RCA or XLR?
            Hugh Nguyen
            ACA

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hugh View Post

              May I ask if the cable from your Pre to your Amp is RCA or XLR?
              RCA, but the preamp has a pretty low output Z ( cathode follower).
              Magnepan 1.6 QR Loudspeakers, Amherst A-2000 MOSFET 150 WPC Amp, Conrad Johnson PV-10A Modded Tube Line & Phono Stage, Electrocompaniet MC II Class A Head Amp, Audio Technica AT-OC9XML Cart (Stereo) , Graham Engineering 2.2 Tonearm (Stereo) , VPI Aries-1 Turntable (Stereo) , VPI Clamp, Denon DL-102 Cart, (Mono) , Luxman Tonearm (Mono) , Kenwood KD-500 Turntable (Mono) , Michell Clamp, Marantz 20B Analog FM Tuner, Pioneer SACD, Onkyo DX-6800 CD Transport, DIY 24B/192K DAC, Sennheiser HD-650 Headphones, Headroom Max Balanced Headphone Amp, DIY Silver Interconnects
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              • #8
                Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post

                RCA, but the preamp has a pretty low output Z ( cathode follower).
                I'd have done the same thing if I were in your shoes.
                Most people, without proper understanding, keep going crazy about XLR. :-)
                Hugh Nguyen
                ACA
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                • #9
                  Hi Ki

                  In my experience short vs long ICs has always been blown out of proportion. I guess that may have been important some time back when cables made then tended to roll off high frequencies more as they got longer and electronics weren't designed to anticipate long runs. I've always found that if I had the choice, I would rather not have anything at mid and tweeter level between the speakers at the speaker plane to interfere with the summing of the loudspeakers. As such I much prefer to have my sources and preamp to the side and leave only the amps in front.

                  Best

                  Jack
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                  • #10
                    I just thought if I had to have a long run, the IC from the preamp to the amp would be better long, than having long speaker cables.
                    Magnepan 1.6 QR Loudspeakers, Amherst A-2000 MOSFET 150 WPC Amp, Conrad Johnson PV-10A Modded Tube Line & Phono Stage, Electrocompaniet MC II Class A Head Amp, Audio Technica AT-OC9XML Cart (Stereo) , Graham Engineering 2.2 Tonearm (Stereo) , VPI Aries-1 Turntable (Stereo) , VPI Clamp, Denon DL-102 Cart, (Mono) , Luxman Tonearm (Mono) , Kenwood KD-500 Turntable (Mono) , Michell Clamp, Marantz 20B Analog FM Tuner, Pioneer SACD, Onkyo DX-6800 CD Transport, DIY 24B/192K DAC, Sennheiser HD-650 Headphones, Headroom Max Balanced Headphone Amp, DIY Silver Interconnects
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                    • #11
                      I too find sonic advantages in not having a rack in between or immediately to the side of speakers. I have monoblocks and their power conditioners between speakers. Ime, shorter speaker cables are preferable as are balanced circuits. Currently, 8 meter IC's from linestage to amps.

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                      • MylesBAstor
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                        MylesBAstor commented
                        05-04-2016, 08:53 AM
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                        Love Finzi!
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                        MylesBAstor commented
                        05-04-2016, 08:54 AM
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                        I thought Ronan looked pretty lean and mean!
                      • allenh
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                        allenh commented
                        05-04-2016, 08:29 PM
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                        Beautiful room, Tim!
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                      By necessity (small room) I have my components centred between, but behind the speakers.
                      Dynavector DV20x2L MC cartridge - Genesis G7.1f speakers - Marantz Reference PM-KI-Pearl Int. Amp. - Oracle Audio Paris MkV turntable - Various Morrow & Valab/King cables
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                      • #13
                        For me, amp between the speakers, sources to the side. Use 9m of XLR cable in this config.
                        Kronos Sparta -> Trinity Phono -> Trinity Pre -> CH Precision A1 -> Magico S7s

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                        • #14
                          Between no other good spot to the side XLR I just like the way it locks in and stays put.

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by tima View Post
                            I too find sonic advantages in not having a rack in between or immediately to the side of speakers. I have monoblocks and their power conditioners between speakers. Ime, shorter speaker cables are preferable as are balanced circuits. Currently, 8 meter IC's from linestage to amps.

                            Is having the cat a prerequisite to critical listening setup?

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                              05-04-2016, 05:36 PM
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                              Heh - he nags me to play Beethoven but the room is mouse free!
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                              Garth commented
                              05-04-2016, 06:11 PM
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                              You want the warmest or best view the sweet spot watch the cat. comfort x 10 = cat
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