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    I love the summer, don't get me wrong. I live in Seattle so the sun is a sight for sore eyes. Living here I celebrate having tube monoblocks 9 months out of the year. They really help keep my house comfortable and warm. Summer is another issue. I can't turn the darn things on. The little AC I put in my window is just not enough to knock down the additional heat. That thing also makes a racket. I'm relegated to, click it on for an hour, relax a little, then snap it off. Owe yea, my TV is a big Plasma. Wonderful picture. Also a large heating element. Serious 1st world complaints going on here.
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  • #2
    Could be worse. You could live in Houston.
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    • #3
      Sounds like you might need to consider a summer amplifier.
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      • #4
        Rex (or Sire): Until the hurricane hit the Texas coast, we've been enjoying 103-4F days here in Austin. I had both a/c systems completely gone over, replaced some parts, had the filters cleaned, etc. These units, although not new, can dehumidify without making the room frigid. In any case, it's quite comfortable despite the outdoor heat. (Ambient temps peak at around 110F in the afternoon).
        I would always find the power nasty in the summer back East. Here, it seems to be less of a problem as well. Perhaps newer, better infrastructure, plus all the work I put into the additional subsystem for the audio power. That's in your wheelhouse.
        Worst case, you could probably get a good mini-split from Mitsubishi at lower cost and cool your room. I haven't played with the latest ones, but I gather they keep getting better and better. At one point, I was looking at installing an auxiliary air con system in New York to run during the winter, because the house would be heated (and we'd need to maintain some minimum level of heat even on the third floor where the system was to prevent pipes from freezing, etc.) , but it got very hot in the listening room at the top of the house with all the tube gear running.
        You are a capable guy. You can figure this out, without spending a fortune, I think.
        Since the hurricane, it has been blissfully cool here, maybe 90 degrees, but we didn't get hammered the way the coast did.
        I guess it doesn't matter where you live, it's always something- tarantulas, bears, copperheads, brown recluse spiders, weather, lawyers, bad coffee. I now have an alligator phobia since they told me those critters are in the river right down the road. Yikes!

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        • #5
          Bill, How did you all do in Austin. Did you get hit with the wind, as well as all the water. Hopefully no real damage to your real estate.
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          • Bill Hart
            Bill Hart commented
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            We made out fine. It was obviously a serious storm, and we had some high wind and a fair amount of rain, but nothing compared to the coastal areas. We are up high, topographically, and the house sits on piers that are probably 4 or 5 feet at the front.
            Some trees down in various neighborhoods, there are some low lying areas in and around Austin that flood easily, but good here. Thanks.

        • #6
          I'm just southwest of downtown Austin. About 20 miles. We received 9 inches of rain and pretty steady 35-40 mph winds for 2 - 3 days. A few small tree limbs and very very green grass. We were lucky considering what happened say 30 miles south east of Austin and especially as you get around the coastal areas between Houston and Corpus...
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          • #7
            Living in San Diego weather isn't a topic of conversation most of the time. However living in a high rise I can't keep my mind from at least occasionally wandering to earthquake. I hope I didn't rattle the EQ god with that comment.
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            • 1morerecord2clean
              1morerecord2clean commented
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              Symbolic next door to my go to bicycle shop. Similarity? They carry the best. Bike shop had one of a handful of Colnago Fiftieth Anniversary bikes about 5 years ago. Serial no. was #1. Purchased by a collector in TX for $25k I think. Not for riding but for his wall. Symbolic owner a few years ago implicated in s money laundering scheme for a drug dealer I think. Not sure what happened to him. Store is open. They had a Bugatti in the window a few years back for $1.2 Million.

            • Rob
              Rob commented
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              Symbolic laundering money?? NO!!! welcome to the world of exotic and investment car trading. Bill Noon was their spokesman, more like mascot. part of the "where are they now" club

            • c1ferrari
              c1ferrari commented
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              A friend and I went to a car show at the SD Convention Ctr. one year and Symbolic at some point later.
              You know which was more interesting!

          • #8
            Weather, come on down to sunny Fla where we can offer warm to hot days, humidity and dewpoints over 88%, some rain and if you are lucky to live in central Fl fantastic lightning storms in the summer starting around 4pm and maybe an occasional hurricane. PS we rarely get snow or ice.
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              • #10
                Up here in BC the heat isn't usually an issue but we've had record numbers of sunny days and unusual heat this summer. The two systems that use large Class A power amps are therefor not getting use and will have to wait until Fall to do their room heater thing again.
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                • #11
                  Originally posted by Kingrex View Post
                  I love the summer, don't get me wrong. I live in Seattle so the sun is a sight for sore eyes. Living here I celebrate having tube monoblocks 9 months out of the year. They really help keep my house comfortable and warm. Summer is another issue. I can't turn the darn things on. The little AC I put in my window is just not enough to knock down the additional heat. That thing also makes a racket. I'm relegated to, click it on for an hour, relax a little, then snap it off. Owe yea, my TV is a big Plasma. Wonderful picture. Also a large heating element. Serious 1st world complaints going on here.
                  We have a customer that lives in Guatemala City, and owns our biggest amplifier (MA-3) which has 42 power tubes per channel. He does not like air conditioning, and his listening room is about the same size as mine (average size). The amp uses triode power tubes and they run class A (the MA-3 is one of the most powerful class A triode amps made).

                  Yet you can sit in his listening room all day and all night without air conditioning at any time of the year and not be bothered by the heat of the amps. He installed openings in the ceiling and with about $200 worth of ductwork, pumps the heat outside with a low speed squirrel fan.

                  Its a cheap and elegant solution.

                  I run our M-60s year round. In the summer I usually pull a few power tubes out of the amp, because it runs cooler, the amp can do it and with my speakers at 98 db 1 watt 1 meter, I don't usually need the power.

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                  • siddh
                    siddh commented
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                    I did something similar, Ralph. In my basement/listening room I installed a set of powered vents located above where my once owned mono block OTLs resided. The fan sucked a percentage of the rising heat out the basement window. Combined with a dehumidifier, except for days with temps in the 90’s, I was comfortable for hours of audio.

                • #12
                  It's back again. Heat. My wife wont let me run the stereo in the evenings. I'm affecting the AC. Now I'm curious about SS amps again. What's a good summer amp. Runs cool, sounds great. Priced like a steal but performs like a fortune.
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                  • Rob
                    Rob commented
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                    Your SS dream doesn't exist. i use tubes year round, I don't get the whole "it puts out too much heat" sotra thing. Find a speaker that only needs 30 or so PP tube watts. done.

                  • Kingrex
                    Kingrex commented
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                    Basically a good cool running darn fine sounding SS amp is going to cost $$$$?

                • #13
                  You may want to consider a ductless split system. Silent , efficient and can also heat in the winter in the Pacific NW
                  climate with a heat pump functionality. They can be retrofitted easily in existing spaces and are not super expensive.

                  For us here in the North East. we've been beaten with 35-40 degree Celsius days for weeks ( 85-100deg F) this is not unusual but we have not seen it for a while -especially with humidity.

                  I am in the basement with my listening room effectively surrounded by concrete so it takes a while for things to warm up for me in the summer as the cold air from the AC tends to fall to the lowest level. Tubes tend to warm things up nicely.. I have on occasion had to turn on the thermally heated concrete floors to equalize the cold from the AC in the basement listening room in the summer!




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                  • #14
                    Check this out. I'm so cheap . This keeps the upstairs at 73*
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                    • kcin
                      kcin commented
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                      That works!

                  • #15
                    Its nothing like Mike Lavignes very silent room that hold 30 people and does not change temperature or get muggy. My house gets real loud with all the fans and window units. That's one of 2 AC. The downstairs is a window unit.

                    A mini split is about $7k to $10k in parts alone. I spoke with the refer guys on my last job. They want about $2k to $3k to hook it up. That means I ran the power, poured slabs and penetrated the house for the AC and drain lines. They run the hose, connect and charge. I don't think we have enough hot days to justify. I'm more interested in air filtration. I don't have HVAC, I have radiant heat so nothing takes the dust out of my air.

                    I might kill a fan here or there to listen in the afternoon but the amps do add enough heat that I wont turn them on. I will survive. It's only till Tuesday.
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                    • Kingrex
                      Kingrex commented
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                      I though about that when it went to pen. I use to like them. Till Tuesday that is.

                    • Kingrex
                      Kingrex commented
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                      I cant find Till Tuesday on Tidal. There is one album on Spotify.

                    • Joe Pittman
                      Joe Pittman commented
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                      Lots of 'Til Tuesday on Tidal...
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