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  • Are CD's basically the same as records just newer technology?

    According to this young rocket scientist they are!

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    Firstly I think this is a joke, although funny.

    In the real world comparing the two playback systems to each other.
    In my humble opinion, the answer to this assumption, is no .

    The cd/NAS uses a lot of error correction of the 0 and 1´s, before the data reaches your ears, it is a sort of guessed data that will be transformed into music.
    On a record it is the groove that makes the music, errors here come either the production process or from setting the cartridge/load/etc wrongly resulting in distortion/muddling of the signal or bad speed stability.
    Last edited by banditcat200; 03-21-2016, 04:35 AM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by banditcat200 View Post
      (...)
      The cd/NAS uses a lot of error correction of the 0 and 1´s, before the data reaches your ears, it is a sort of guessed data that will be transformed into music.

      On a record it is the groove that makes the music, errors here come either the production process or from setting the cartridge/load/etc wrongly resulting in distortion/muddling of the signal or bad speed stability.
      It has been shown and proved that music played through current decent CD systems is bit exact - the digital error correction is 100% accurate, except for faulty systems or heavily scratched CDs . Digital can have a lot of problems, but they are not due to digital data integrity.
      My opinions rely on listening mainly to acoustical, non amplified music. I do not care about electronic music or listening to rock at stadium levels, but I enjoy Mahler and Shostakovitch.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by microstrip View Post

        It has been shown and proved that music played through current decent CD systems is bit exact - the digital error correction is 100% accurate, except for faulty systems or heavily scratched CDs . Digital can have a lot of problems, but they are not due to digital data integrity.
        Its down to how the recording was made, that's it.
        I got a decent digital system to and am not religious to what to have or not, I am all in for good recordings, be they analog or digital

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        • #5
          This joker is pulling a bad prank. Somebody else may try it and ruin a stylus.
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          • #6
            I remember seeing a "CD" years ago (around '84 or '85) which actually had record music stamped on it, a novelty item.

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            • #7
              It's called Vinyl Envy . Personally, I don't see any a difference between this and digital recordings on vinyl! Its the "Analog" that's missing!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by david k View Post
                It's called Vinyl Envy . Personally, I don't see any a difference between this and digital recordings on vinyl! Its the "Analog" that's missing!

                david

                One difference is that I've heard plenty of instances where the LP made from the digital source sounded better than the CD. Now I can't tell you about high rez files but I will mention this one anectodal experience at a show a couple of years ago. Gavin Fish who works for Light Harmonics was playing back some high rez digital files at that time through their new digital gear. And it wasn't very impressive. Then Gavin goes I want you to hear this. Then he plays a digital file of a very familiar piece that blows away all the high rez digital files up to that point. What was the file? It was a digital recording of one of my favorite LPs.

                Same also BTW goes for even the high rez files. It has to do much with source. Jeff Joseph recorded five hours of tape at my home last year for RMAF and Munich. These 24/192 files that Jeff made blew away any commercial releases he had on his server. So something weird is afoot.
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                • david k
                  david k commented
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                  I don't doubt that the a quality first gen needle drop CD-r would sound better than an oversampled, over mastered commercial CD Myles, specially if copied from analog LPs. What I was alluding to is the nature of digital. IME a commercial vinyl pressing of a digital master still exhibits the same digital qualities as its CD counterpart so I don't see the point unless one playback source is far superior to the other in the system.

                  I don't want to enter the mine field of computer audio, I never heard one that I liked or even stand for more than a few minutes and looking at all the variables starting with the actual hardware, the OS, file type, conversion software, playback software and the different physical connections involved wouldn't know where to even begin to trouble shoot and at the end of the day it will still be a digital reconstruction!

                  david
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