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    How about BBFYB Amplifiers?

    I have a very affordable Musical Paradise MP-301 Single Ended 6V6 integrated that I like. Also a Don Allen EL84 SE Cakepan power amp I use with a Schiit passive pre. On the solid state side I have a bargain priced NSMT modified Lepai amp that is not too bad.

    Anyone else? Any Single Ended Triode amps under $1k?

    Craig

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    Maybe I should know to what "BBFYB" cashes out, but I don't.

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      I'm guessing its Big Bang For Your Buck. Sub 1k? That's a tough one. It's already hard to DIY with less than 1k if one doesn't have donor parts. Transformers really run up the bill quickly.

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        Thanks Jack. Hat-tip for that!

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      Yes, sorry tima for the confusion, I tried to save typing by turning the forum theme "getting the best bang for your buck" into to an acronym.

      Thanks Jack for the feedback, I finally have some SET compatible speakers but my curiosity is tempered by the entry fee.

      Craig

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        Jack nailed it-unless you already have some good SE OPTs laying around the house for your project, it's hard to pull this off for $1K or less. Good OPTs are expensive, good SE OPTs are more expensive. Having said that, if you use SE OPTs from Hammond, you could possibly pull this off. The Hammond 1628SEA is a good choice for a lot of different output tubes and they can be had for less than $150.00 each.
        Micro Seiki SX-8000 table with flywheel, SME 3012R arm, SME 312S arm, Lyra Etna SL and Dynavector XV-1S cartridges, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 tape deck, Ampex 350 repros, Roon Nucleus Plus server, PS Audio DSJ DAC, ARC Ref 6 pre, ARC Ref 75 amp, JBL 4345 speakers, and Def Tech Ref subs.

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          Originally posted by Mortsnets View Post
          Yes, sorry tima for the confusion, I tried to save typing by turning the forum theme "getting the best bang for your buck" into to an acronym.

          Thanks Jack for the feedback, I finally have some SET compatible speakers but my curiosity is tempered by the entry fee.

          Craig
          Sure. I use acronyms too, but that one escaped me. I keep encouraging myself to write for the reader.

          Along with SETs, consider OTL (Output Transformer-Less) amplifiers. I believe Atma-Sphere offers their M-60 monoblocks in kit form. Those offer (very, imo) high sonic value for the buck.

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            Originally posted by tima View Post

            Sure. I use acronyms too, but that one escaped me. I keep encouraging myself to write for the reader.

            Along with SETs, consider OTL (Output Transformer-Less) amplifiers. I believe Atma-Sphere offers their M-60 monoblocks in kit form. Those offer (very, imo) high sonic value for the buck.
            Atma-Sphere quit offering kit amps long ago. Too many problems and too many showed up on the used market with issues.
            Micro Seiki SX-8000 table with flywheel, SME 3012R arm, SME 312S arm, Lyra Etna SL and Dynavector XV-1S cartridges, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 tape deck, Ampex 350 repros, Roon Nucleus Plus server, PS Audio DSJ DAC, ARC Ref 6 pre, ARC Ref 75 amp, JBL 4345 speakers, and Def Tech Ref subs.

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              So where does your link say they are available as kits?

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              Here's a tip that may help:

              Go to the M60 Web page. Within your browser, press CTRL-F. That should bring up a search field into which can be typed the word "KIT".

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              I stand corrected.

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            Originally posted by mep View Post
            Jack nailed it-unless you already have some good SE OPTs laying around the house for your project, it's hard to pull this off for $1K or less. Good OPTs are expensive, good SE OPTs are more expensive. Having said that, if you use SE OPTs from Hammond, you could possibly pull this off. The Hammond 1628SEA is a good choice for a lot of different output tubes and they can be had for less than $150.00 each.
            Then when you move up to the really good output tubes......

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            • #9
              Originally posted by JackD201 View Post

              Then when you move up to the really good output tubes......
              Exactly...
              Micro Seiki SX-8000 table with flywheel, SME 3012R arm, SME 312S arm, Lyra Etna SL and Dynavector XV-1S cartridges, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 tape deck, Ampex 350 repros, Roon Nucleus Plus server, PS Audio DSJ DAC, ARC Ref 6 pre, ARC Ref 75 amp, JBL 4345 speakers, and Def Tech Ref subs.

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              • #10
                Certainly not under your $1K limit, but the ampsandsound Mogwai is single ended using el34, kt88 or other octal power tubes at $1850. it's both a 4 watt speaker amp and a killer headphone amp. The old Antique Sound Labs MG-SI15DT-S was only about $700 when I got mine, also using KT88. They don't import them to north America any more, but they are still available (though for about $1500) in Asia.

                My recommendation for someone looking for low power high quality under $1000 amp would be to look at a gain-clone or other chip amp using that series of chips. I've used the ampsandsound chip amp ($600 for a stereo amp) and it was way better than you would expect for that price. Used an LM1875 chip. I'll be getting a mono set of these amps to test out in the near future.

                The Almarro A205A from Japan is a great sounding single ended EL84 amp, and is around $1000, but is really hard to get. They just don't make very many of them.
                Steve Lefkowicz
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                Analog 1: Linn LP12 (MOSE/Hercules II), Ittok, Dynavector 10X5 MK.II Low, iPhono2/iPowerX; Analog 2: Pro-Ject RPM-1 Carbon, Talisman S, iFi iPhono.
                Digital: Geekom Mini PC (i5, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, JRiver Media Center 29, Tidal HiFi, Qobuz Studio), iFi NEO iDSD, iFi iUSB3, iPurifier2, Audioquest Jitterbug FMJ.
                Electronics: DIY passive line-stage, Antique Sound Labs MG-SI15DT-S, Burson Timekeeper Virtuoso
                Speakers: Tekton Perfect SET 15, Tekton Lore, Magneplaner .7
                Interconnects: Morrow Audio MA1, Vermouth Audio Black Pearl, Audioquest Evergreen
                Speaker cables: WyWyres Diamond, Morrow Audio SP4, Vermouth Audio Red Velvet, Audioquest Type 5
                Digital cables: Aural Symphonics USB, iFi Gemini twin-head USB.
                Accessories: Sound Organization turntable shelf, Mondo racks, Pangea Audio Vulcan rack, Pi Audio Group Über BUSS, Monster HTS2000 power conditioner, Kinetronics anti-static brush, Pro-Ject VC-S record cleaner, Spin Clean record cleaner.
                Headphones: Schiit Valhalla amp, Burson Conductor Virtuoso Amp, Meze Audio 99 Classic and 99 Neo, Beyerdynamic DT770Pro 600 ohm, 1More Triple Driver Over Ear, 1More Triple Driver IEM

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                • #11
                  1.5 to 2k for a finished competent tube amp sounds about right. 1k as a kit, possible but I'd think quite rare.

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                  • #12
                    A question that I have
                    all of us may agree that some amps play sound while others music , but what amps are fast and still do.
                    In speakers for me a ribbon has this quality of music but can be slow while amd ES is very fast but seems thin.
                    In headphones and for me weight is a line to walk. Too far into speed yields less music and more sound.
                    My irs st this point seem very musical and have weight
                    what can I do to speed them up a bit ? I am thinking that some amps are faster is this true ?
                    What I have now are Aragon's
                    they are transparent that I can tell small changes a good sign but what I don't get is what I call the jumping factor
                    given they are large speakers so the image is large what I feel they lack is this. If music comes on fast from low or slow they don't snap as some others do.
                    Any thoughts in this. Should I do this in another post ?
                    Thanks in advance
                    analog stuff.
                    otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
                    otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
                    sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
                    new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
                    thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
                    thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
                    kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
                    phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
                    speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
                    mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
                    digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
                    Dacs lampi various

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                      Three places that come to mind;

                      Bottlehead
                      Decware
                      Music Reference
                      Turntable: - 1. Fairchild 750/OMA slate plinth
                      2. Analog Engineering AE-2008 MinusK support.
                      Tonearm: 1. Schroder Custom
                      2. Schick 12"
                      3. Abis SA-1
                      Cartridge: Miyajima Kansui and Premium BE Mono
                      PhonoPre: AprilSound LR, EMIA Strain Gauge, EMIA silver SUT
                      CD: Wadia 860x
                      Server: Innuos Zen Mini Mk3
                      DAC: Computer Audio Design 1543 Mk2
                      Preamp: Bent Audio TAP-X w silver autoformers
                      Amplifier: AprilSound SET50 monoblocks
                      Speaker: Pioneer PAX-30C

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                      • #14
                        Originally posted by Alrainbow View Post
                        ...
                        My irs st this point seem very musical and have weight
                        what can I do to speed them up a bit ? I am thinking that some amps are faster is this true ?
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                        The "fastest" amp I've had in my system is David Berning's Quadrature Z. These mono-blocks reproduce music in a way that is incredibly dynamic, vivacious, and so immediately transparent I could tell Dusty used the Ipana, not the Colgate.

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                          The David Berning Quadrature Z's are really nice. Are they not a transformer-less OTL Design? For a design that has been around a while, they sound excellent and they retain their value very well. Definitely, not inexpensive. Big Bang for more then a few bucks. I really like the Lamm 1.2 reference you own. I have less powerful tube sibling to it. The Lamm ML1.1.

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                        ok thanks .
                        analog stuff.
                        otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
                        otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
                        sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
                        new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
                        thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
                        thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
                        kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
                        phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
                        speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
                        mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
                        digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
                        Dacs lampi various

                        Comment

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