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  • Entry Level Turntable

    Under $1500 with arm and cartridge.

    ​Rega, Project, VPI, Music-Hall, etc.

    What would or have you recommended to a friend?
    Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
    Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
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    -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
    -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
    -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
    -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
    -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
    -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
    -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
    -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
    -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
    -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

  • #2
    All good suggestions.

    I'm not good for the industry, I would always recommend a used 'table. A few years ago I picked up an LP12/Ittok LVIII/Valhalla for less than $1500 and it was a kick in the pants, the cool factor is also high being the iconic classic that it is. I would have kept it if I had the shelf space.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Rob View Post
      All good suggestions.

      I'm not good for the industry, I would always recommend a used 'table. A few years ago I picked up an LP12/Ittok LVIII/Valhalla for less than $1500 and it was a kick in the pants, the cool factor is also high being the iconic classic that it is. I would have kept it if I had the shelf space.
      As much as I love my Linn / Ittok rig, unless someone was a tinkerer or more into the equipment side of things, I would always start a beginner out with something like a Rega, Project, or Music Hall. The new GEM Dandy Polytable by George Merrill for $1495 (with a Jelco arm) seems intriguing too. However, I have a major aversion to turntables that don't come with a usable dust cover.
      Last edited by Steve Lefkowicz; 02-18-2016, 07:54 PM.
      Steve Lefkowicz
      Senior Associate Editor at Positive Feedback
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      Analog: Linn LP12 (MOSE/Hercules II), Ittok, Dynavector 19a, iPhono2; Pro-Ject RPM-1 Carbon, Sumiko Pearl, iFi iPhono.
      Digital: Samsung 300E5C notebook, JRiver Media Center 26, Tidal HiFi and Qobuz Studio), iFi iDAC2, iFi iUSB3, iPurifier2.
      Electronics: Burson Conductor Virtuoso, DIY switch-box with TKD 10K pot, Antique Sound Labs MG-SI15DT-S, Burson Timekeeper Virtuoso, Jolida JD1000P, B&K ST140.
      Speakers: Tekton Double Impact, Tekton Lore, Magneplaner .7, ELAC Debut2 B6.2, Debut F5 and Debut B6, Emotiva Airmotiv B1, Sound Dynamics 300ti.
      Interconnects: Morrow Audio MA1, Vermouth Audio Black Pearl, Nordost Solar Wind, Audioquest Evergreen
      Speaker cables: Morrow Audio SP4, Vermouth Audio Red Velvet, Nordost Solar Wind, Nordost Flatline, Audioquest Q2.
      Digital cables: Straightwire USB Link, Aural Symphonics Digital Standard xxv USB, Belkin PureAV.
      Accessories: Sound Organization turntable shelf, Mondo racks, Pangea Audio Vulcan racks, Pi Audio Group Über BUSS, Monster HTS2000 power conditioner, Sound Organization speaker stands, Pangea Audio speaker stands, Kinetronics anti-static brush, Pro-Ject VC-S record cleaner, Spin Clean record cleaner.
      Headphones: Schiit Valhalla amp, Meze Audio 99 Classic and 99 Neo, Beyerdynamic DT770Pro, 1More Triple Driver Over Ear, 1More MK801, 1More Triple Driver IEM

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      • #4
        I was just talking to a friend about a used RP8 at 2K. A little above that limit, but bet it would be killer.
        Kronos Sparta -> Trinity Phono -> Trinity Pre -> CH Precision A1 -> Magico S7s

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        • #5
          If I had to consider only new equipment, not used, I would advise on a the Clearaudio Concept with a Sumiko or Ortofon cartridge. IMHO it is a great value for money in this price range.
          My opinions rely on listening mainly to acoustical, non amplified music. I do not care about electronic music or listening to rock at stadium levels, but I enjoy Mahler and Shostakovitch.

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          • #6
            I think given the vinyl expertise of someone at this price point that having a table/arm/cartridge package that comes completely setup is a big advantage. No fuss, no muss. Plus just a better chance of getting the best sound out of the turntable.
            Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
            Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
            ________________________________________

            -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
            -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
            -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
            -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
            -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
            -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
            -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
            -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
            -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
            -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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            • #7
              Definitely! Then again thight might keep them from learning I believe REGA packages come all set and because this is how they sell them, they even devised a dummy prood three point mounting method. They'll still have to figure out how to change from 33 to 45 but that requires litte dexterity if not some unwanted effort. I've always respected Project and VPI but the old entry level table of Clearaudio (old Emotion) and the Goldrings were disasters. Gonna have a hard time pitching vinyl to a CD listener with these. The Concept looks so much better built.

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              • #8
                Marantz TT-15S1....$1499

                Built by Clearaudio
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                • #9
                  When the budget conversation starts, such as no more than $1500, I always think of the best used item I can get rather than thinking new. So with that, I would such getting a used/demo VPI Scout, which you should be able to find I would think, with an Ortofon 2m cart to start.

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                  • #10
                    Where VPI seems to excel is upgrades down the line - for the Scout, you can change the platter, soon to be able to change the tonearm to a 9" 3d arm, periphery ring, etc. And can easily upgrade to a Prime down the line as many dealers offer trade-ins. I've come to view buying new gear for the long term as much as the short term, especially turntables.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Analog21 View Post
                      Where VPI seems to excel is upgrades down the line - for the Scout, you can change the platter, soon to be able to change the tonearm to a 9" 3d arm, periphery ring, etc. And can easily upgrade to a Prime down the line as many dealers offer trade-ins. I've come to view buying new gear for the long term as much as the short term, especially turntables.
                      Seems more and more table manufacturers are doing that. Builds brand loyalty and satisfied customers.
                      Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                      Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                      ________________________________________

                      -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
                      -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
                      -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                      -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
                      -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                      -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                      -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                      -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                      -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                      -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Analog21 View Post
                        Where VPI seems to excel is upgrades down the line - for the Scout, you can change the platter, soon to be able to change the tonearm to a 9" 3d arm, periphery ring, etc. And can easily upgrade to a Prime down the line as many dealers offer trade-ins. I've come to view buying new gear for the long term as much as the short term, especially turntables.
                        The only thing I don't like about VPI now is since they have started selling arms, they are less accommodating selling turntables setup for other arms like they used to be. Now they just assume you want a VPI arm with your table. Maybe they still offer cutouts and armboards for other arms, they sure don't promote it if they do.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post
                          I think given the vinyl expertise of someone at this price point that having a table/arm/cartridge package that comes completely setup is a big advantage. No fuss, no muss. Plus just a better chance of getting the best sound out of the turntable.
                          +1
                          After a decades long absence ( w/ no tt) I got a demo Rega RP8 w/ tonearm and the Rega cartidge - all from and set up by the dealer.
                          ( a bit more costly that Myles' target price point but will illustrate the concept)
                          After a year - took it back and had an upgraded cartridge installed - also by the dealer.
                          After another year - now ready for another step up.
                          IMHO - no substitute for a "package" that a reliable dealer can set up for the uninitiated or unsure or inexperienced.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Andy View Post

                            +1
                            After a decades long absence ( w/ no tt) I got a demo Rega RP8 w/ tonearm and the Rega cartidge - all from and set up by the dealer.
                            ( a bit more costly that Myles' target price point but will illustrate the concept)
                            After a year - took it back and had an upgraded cartridge installed - also by the dealer.
                            After another year - now ready for another step up.
                            IMHO - no substitute for a "package" that a reliable dealer can set up for the uninitiated or unsure or inexperienced.
                            Great testimony Andy. A good dealer is worth their weight in gold.
                            Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                            Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                            ________________________________________

                            -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
                            -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
                            -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                            -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
                            -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                            -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                            -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                            -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                            -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                            -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post

                              The only thing I don't like about VPI now is since they have started selling arms, they are less accommodating selling turntables setup for other arms like they used to be. Now they just assume you want a VPI arm with your table. Maybe they still offer cutouts and armboards for other arms, they sure don't promote it if they do.
                              You also don't often see VPI arms on other brands of table. Surprising seeing their seemingly high performance/price ratio.
                              Steve Lefkowicz
                              Senior Associate Editor at Positive Feedback
                              -
                              Analog: Linn LP12 (MOSE/Hercules II), Ittok, Dynavector 19a, iPhono2; Pro-Ject RPM-1 Carbon, Sumiko Pearl, iFi iPhono.
                              Digital: Samsung 300E5C notebook, JRiver Media Center 26, Tidal HiFi and Qobuz Studio), iFi iDAC2, iFi iUSB3, iPurifier2.
                              Electronics: Burson Conductor Virtuoso, DIY switch-box with TKD 10K pot, Antique Sound Labs MG-SI15DT-S, Burson Timekeeper Virtuoso, Jolida JD1000P, B&K ST140.
                              Speakers: Tekton Double Impact, Tekton Lore, Magneplaner .7, ELAC Debut2 B6.2, Debut F5 and Debut B6, Emotiva Airmotiv B1, Sound Dynamics 300ti.
                              Interconnects: Morrow Audio MA1, Vermouth Audio Black Pearl, Nordost Solar Wind, Audioquest Evergreen
                              Speaker cables: Morrow Audio SP4, Vermouth Audio Red Velvet, Nordost Solar Wind, Nordost Flatline, Audioquest Q2.
                              Digital cables: Straightwire USB Link, Aural Symphonics Digital Standard xxv USB, Belkin PureAV.
                              Accessories: Sound Organization turntable shelf, Mondo racks, Pangea Audio Vulcan racks, Pi Audio Group Über BUSS, Monster HTS2000 power conditioner, Sound Organization speaker stands, Pangea Audio speaker stands, Kinetronics anti-static brush, Pro-Ject VC-S record cleaner, Spin Clean record cleaner.
                              Headphones: Schiit Valhalla amp, Meze Audio 99 Classic and 99 Neo, Beyerdynamic DT770Pro, 1More Triple Driver Over Ear, 1More MK801, 1More Triple Driver IEM

                              http://www.audionirvana.org/forum/ti...ounding-system

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