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    We invited my wife's best friend (well, she's my friend too) to come visit us at the LA Audio Show, mostly just to hang out, but also, because she has been talking about setting up a "nice" system now for a few years. Her kids are all lout of the house and she decided it was time. The budget wasn't terribly big by most audiophile standards, but she was looking "around $1000" for a complete system. Her youngest son had recently bought her a turntable (he'a DJ, not sure what it is yet) and she has a small record collection from many years ago, and a couple hundred CDs. She also wanted to be able to plug in her notebook for Spotify and Pandora, and her TV for movies.

    At the show we tried all sorts of setups for her and in the end, she said to let her think about and she'd decide in a few weeks.

    Today she ordered an all Emotiva system, comprising of:

    Amplifier - TA-100 ($399)
    CD Player - CD-100 ($299)
    Speakers - Airmotiv B1 ($299)
    Subwoofer BasX S8 ($199)

    And from Pangea Audio (Audio Advisor) a set of their lower cost 32" speaker stands ($119)

    Total cost $1315.

    I happened to have all those components here at home still from the show, so after six weeks of battling positioning with the big Tekons (they are really starting to sound nice) I decided to take a break, and set this whole system up here and see how it sounded.

    Only played a couple of CDs (the CD player used as a transport, connected via toslink to the amp) and mostly used either a notebook running tidal or my Questyle QP1 through the line level input. Well less than a half hour tuning the sub and positioning the speakers, I am really surprised at how good this sounds. The sub and sats blend really nicely crossed over at around 90 Hz, and play solid to low 30s. The AMT tweeter is airy and clear and not at all brittle or fatiguing. Mids are fairly transparent and neutral and much more dynamic than you would expect.

    Here the bottom line, I've been listen non-stop for close to four hours. Currently listening to Camera Obscura by Nico on Tidal and loving it. No, it in not as good in any category as what I get out my Burson electronics and either set of Tekton speakers (Lore or DIs), and my iFi stack is better than the built in DAC in every way, but this system simply works and sounds great.

    I can't wait for her gear to arrive. We'll be going over to set it up and make it sound its best. I need to get a photo of her expression when we play the first track for her after getting it all tuned up.

    My end of the audio world is better than ever these days.
    Steve Lefkowicz
    Senior Associate Editor at Positive Feedback
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    Analog 1: Linn LP12 (MOSE/Hercules II), Ittok, Dynavector 10X5 MK.II Low, iPhono2/iPowerX; Analog 2: Pro-Ject RPM-1 Carbon, Talisman S, iFi iPhono.
    Digital: Samsung 300E5C notebook, JRiver Media Center 28, Tidal HiFi, Qobuz Studio), iFi NEO iDSD, iFi iUSB3, iPurifier2, Audioquest Jitterbug.
    Electronics: DIY passive line-stage, Antique Sound Labs MG-SI15DT-S, Burson Timekeeper Virtuoso
    Speakers: Tekton Perfect SET 15, Tekton Lore, Magneplaner .7
    Interconnects: Morrow Audio MA1, Vermouth Audio Black Pearl, Audioquest Evergreen
    Speaker cables: WyWyres Diamond, Morrow Audio SP4, Vermouth Audio Red Velvet, Audioquest Type 5
    Digital cables: Aural Symphonics USB, iFi Gemini twin-head USB.
    Accessories: Sound Organization turntable shelf, Mondo racks, Pangea Audio Vulcan rack, Pi Audio Group Über BUSS, Monster HTS2000 power conditioner, Kinetronics anti-static brush, Pro-Ject VC-S record cleaner, Spin Clean record cleaner.
    Headphones: Schiit Valhalla amp, Burson Conductor Virtuoso Amp, Meze Audio 99 Classic and 99 Neo, Beyerdynamic DT770Pro 600 ohm, DT770 Studio 80 ohm, 1More Triple Driver Over Ear, 1More Triple Driver IEM

  • #2
    As always the set up is a big part of the final result. Best of luck to you and your friend.
    (Luck has very little do with a succesful set up though. Use your competence instead.)

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    • #3
      When starting with a much higher budget, it's easy to get good performance. Getting good performance at $1K is a real challenge but can yield impressive results with careful selection. I enjoy listening and reading about systems like this.

      I would love to listen to how good the $300 Emotiva CD player is. And would be interested in comparing it the the Oppo UDP-203 at $550. Steve, you mentioned that your friend wanted to play movies on her TV and I wondered why she did not go with a universal player like the Oppo...
      Speakers/Amps: Genesis G2.2 Jr with Powered Servo-Sub Bass, Genesis GR1440 Mono Amps, 5,000 watts total power
      Preamp: SMc Audio VRE-1C Preamp (fully balanced inputs and output)
      Analog 1: VPI Signature 21 Belt-Drive Turntable w/ 10” 3D Printed Fatboy Gimbal Arm and Ortofon MC Windfeld Ti Phono Cartridge driving Lehmann Silver Cube Phono Preamp
      Analog 2: VPI HW-40 Direct-Drive Turntable w/ 12” 3D Printed Fatboy Gimbal Arm and Ortofon MC Anna Diamond Phono Cartridge driving Genesis Gold Phono Preamp
      Analog 3: Studer A810 R2R tape w/ Bridge Console. Using built-in tape preamp
      Digital: Lumin Network Player with Lumin NAS
      Cables: Genesis Advanced Technologies/Absolute Fidelity Interface Interconnects, Speaker, Phono and Power
      A/C Power: Extensive System Upgrades, Sub-panel w/hard-wired power cables, and IsoTek Super Titan Passive Power Conditioning for Amplifiers
      Accessories: Custom Acrylic Equipment Stands, Klaudio Ultrasonic RCM

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Joe Pittman View Post
        When starting with a much higher budget, it's easy to get good performance. Getting good performance at $1K is a real challenge but can yield impressive results with careful selection. I enjoy listening and reading about systems like this.

        I would love to listen to how good the $300 Emotiva CD player is. And would be interested in comparing it the the Oppo UDP-203 at $550. Steve, you mentioned that your friend wanted to play movies on her TV and I wondered why she did not go with a universal player like the Oppo...
        She watches via Directv, either on-demand or on HBO. She just wants to play the audio though the system. Not interested in surround either.

        From the bit I've used it, the CD player is okay but nothing special from its analog outputs. However, using either the TOSLINK or coax digital out to a DAC it makes for a very nice transport, pretty much sounding like whatever DAC you plug it in to. Plus it matches the TA-100, they go together. That was important.

        Challenges like this are exactly what I look for and seek to solve. I'll actually be writing about this system and the installation in PF.
        Steve Lefkowicz
        Senior Associate Editor at Positive Feedback
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        Analog 1: Linn LP12 (MOSE/Hercules II), Ittok, Dynavector 10X5 MK.II Low, iPhono2/iPowerX; Analog 2: Pro-Ject RPM-1 Carbon, Talisman S, iFi iPhono.
        Digital: Samsung 300E5C notebook, JRiver Media Center 28, Tidal HiFi, Qobuz Studio), iFi NEO iDSD, iFi iUSB3, iPurifier2, Audioquest Jitterbug.
        Electronics: DIY passive line-stage, Antique Sound Labs MG-SI15DT-S, Burson Timekeeper Virtuoso
        Speakers: Tekton Perfect SET 15, Tekton Lore, Magneplaner .7
        Interconnects: Morrow Audio MA1, Vermouth Audio Black Pearl, Audioquest Evergreen
        Speaker cables: WyWyres Diamond, Morrow Audio SP4, Vermouth Audio Red Velvet, Audioquest Type 5
        Digital cables: Aural Symphonics USB, iFi Gemini twin-head USB.
        Accessories: Sound Organization turntable shelf, Mondo racks, Pangea Audio Vulcan rack, Pi Audio Group Über BUSS, Monster HTS2000 power conditioner, Kinetronics anti-static brush, Pro-Ject VC-S record cleaner, Spin Clean record cleaner.
        Headphones: Schiit Valhalla amp, Burson Conductor Virtuoso Amp, Meze Audio 99 Classic and 99 Neo, Beyerdynamic DT770Pro 600 ohm, DT770 Studio 80 ohm, 1More Triple Driver Over Ear, 1More Triple Driver IEM

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        • #5
          Love hearing about high value budget systems.

          I recently converted a $750 Amazon gift card into a computer system:

          $ 450 Serene Audio Talisman powered speakers
          $ 130 iFi iDSD Nano LE DAC
          $ 50 AudioQuest Jitterbug
          $ 117 Jplay software for Windows (99 Euros)

          The speakers have a subwoofer out so I'm using a Dayton SA70 subwoofer amp and a DIY bucket sub (Ed Schilling design) and the sound is surprisingly engaging.
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          • #6
            Thanks for keeping us grounded Steve!
            Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
            Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
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            -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
            -Goldmund Telos 300 stereo amp
            -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
            -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
            -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
            -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
            -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
            -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
            -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 6, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
            -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.1+ platforms.

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            • #7
              More power to you Steve for setting up someone new with a sensible low bucks quality system.

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              • #8
                Update on our friend's system. Two weeks ago installed the basic system and did initial tuning. Lent her speaker cables so I could measure out what would be needed and order correct lengths. Seeing her face light up when she played her first track (I told her to pick something she really liked, so she picked Miles Davis, My Funny Valentine) made it all worth it.

                Last week replaced the speaker cables with Belden 5000UE (purchased unterminated from Blue Jeans Cables, and finished off with decent low cost banana plugs), adjusted the subwoofer again for better blend with the main speakers. The variable phase (0 to 180) on the Emo sub is much nicer than other low cost subs that just have a two position phase switch.

                Tonight we go back to set up her turntable (a new Music Hall mmf1.3).

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                (photo before finalizing cables and installing the turntable)

                Note. This was set up to fit within her needs for the room. She was willing to move furniture some, but not too much, and obviously the sub is not in an ideal location, but by keeping it set to enhance the bass just enough but not too much it actually sounds very good. The speakers are out in front of the furniture, and image well enough like this for her to have remarked "Wow, it's like he's in the room!" Plus, with Bluetooth capability, she can stream her Spotify and Pandora accounts from her phone, and there is a USB cable set up so she can easily plug her notebook in when she wants to stream from that.

                The FM section of the Emotiva TA-100 sounds very nice on her favorite jazz station (KKJZ 89.1).

                Might not be taken seriously by people whose USB cable cost more than this whole system, but I see it as a complete success. She seems to really love it.
                Last edited by Steve Lefkowicz; 09-08-2017, 04:48 PM.
                Steve Lefkowicz
                Senior Associate Editor at Positive Feedback
                -
                Analog 1: Linn LP12 (MOSE/Hercules II), Ittok, Dynavector 10X5 MK.II Low, iPhono2/iPowerX; Analog 2: Pro-Ject RPM-1 Carbon, Talisman S, iFi iPhono.
                Digital: Samsung 300E5C notebook, JRiver Media Center 28, Tidal HiFi, Qobuz Studio), iFi NEO iDSD, iFi iUSB3, iPurifier2, Audioquest Jitterbug.
                Electronics: DIY passive line-stage, Antique Sound Labs MG-SI15DT-S, Burson Timekeeper Virtuoso
                Speakers: Tekton Perfect SET 15, Tekton Lore, Magneplaner .7
                Interconnects: Morrow Audio MA1, Vermouth Audio Black Pearl, Audioquest Evergreen
                Speaker cables: WyWyres Diamond, Morrow Audio SP4, Vermouth Audio Red Velvet, Audioquest Type 5
                Digital cables: Aural Symphonics USB, iFi Gemini twin-head USB.
                Accessories: Sound Organization turntable shelf, Mondo racks, Pangea Audio Vulcan rack, Pi Audio Group Über BUSS, Monster HTS2000 power conditioner, Kinetronics anti-static brush, Pro-Ject VC-S record cleaner, Spin Clean record cleaner.
                Headphones: Schiit Valhalla amp, Burson Conductor Virtuoso Amp, Meze Audio 99 Classic and 99 Neo, Beyerdynamic DT770Pro 600 ohm, DT770 Studio 80 ohm, 1More Triple Driver Over Ear, 1More Triple Driver IEM

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                • #9
                  On a different take, and one that I wouldn't pursue with someone else, here is my son's (almost) complete system in his new apartment.

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                  So far:

                  Windows 8 notebook running Spotify Premium and Tidal Master.
                  Schiit Audio Modi 2 Uber DAC (allows the PC through USB and the TV through the optical input)
                  Luxman L-80v integrated amp (1976 vintage)
                  Direct Acoustics Silent Speaker (original model from 2006)
                  USB cable - generic
                  Toslink cable - Amazon Basics
                  Interconnect from Modi to Luxman - StraightWire (about $25)
                  Speaker cables - Canare 4S11

                  The tv stand is from Monoprice.

                  Sounds very nice, though maybe a little bass heavy for a second floor apartment!

                  The new turntable (Music Hall 2.3SE with upgraded acrylic platter and cork mat) gets installed tomorrow after I hit IKEA for their bamboo cutting board I'll use to build a wall mount shelf.


                  The gate around it is to keep his 50 pound Royal Bahamian Potcake away from it.
                  Steve Lefkowicz
                  Senior Associate Editor at Positive Feedback
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                  Analog 1: Linn LP12 (MOSE/Hercules II), Ittok, Dynavector 10X5 MK.II Low, iPhono2/iPowerX; Analog 2: Pro-Ject RPM-1 Carbon, Talisman S, iFi iPhono.
                  Digital: Samsung 300E5C notebook, JRiver Media Center 28, Tidal HiFi, Qobuz Studio), iFi NEO iDSD, iFi iUSB3, iPurifier2, Audioquest Jitterbug.
                  Electronics: DIY passive line-stage, Antique Sound Labs MG-SI15DT-S, Burson Timekeeper Virtuoso
                  Speakers: Tekton Perfect SET 15, Tekton Lore, Magneplaner .7
                  Interconnects: Morrow Audio MA1, Vermouth Audio Black Pearl, Audioquest Evergreen
                  Speaker cables: WyWyres Diamond, Morrow Audio SP4, Vermouth Audio Red Velvet, Audioquest Type 5
                  Digital cables: Aural Symphonics USB, iFi Gemini twin-head USB.
                  Accessories: Sound Organization turntable shelf, Mondo racks, Pangea Audio Vulcan rack, Pi Audio Group Über BUSS, Monster HTS2000 power conditioner, Kinetronics anti-static brush, Pro-Ject VC-S record cleaner, Spin Clean record cleaner.
                  Headphones: Schiit Valhalla amp, Burson Conductor Virtuoso Amp, Meze Audio 99 Classic and 99 Neo, Beyerdynamic DT770Pro 600 ohm, DT770 Studio 80 ohm, 1More Triple Driver Over Ear, 1More Triple Driver IEM

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