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  • What's Good in Under $1000 DACs?

    iDSD DAC? Any others offering good value and sound? I would think the ability to do Quad-DSD a requirement here.
    Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
    Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
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    -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
    -Goldmund Telos 300 stereo amp
    -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
    -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
    -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
    -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
    -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
    -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
    -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 6, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
    -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.1+ platforms.

  • #2
    Why is Quad DSD a requirement? How much music is available in Quad DSD? Is it really that important to hear Jazz At The Pawnshop in digital?
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    • lasercd
      lasercd commented
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      I think its going to be awhile before you see a meaningful inventory of quad DSD material let alone a sub $1k DAC that can process it.

    • MylesBAstor
      MylesBAstor commented
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      Actually think there's a couple that do including the latest iDSD SAC. Original did double and latest version does wuad.

    • nc42acc
      nc42acc commented
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      Most all of the latest DACs can resolve quad DSD (DSD 256) The two DACs I listed below are capable of DSD512 even though there is no native DSD512 material that I know of. Native DSD has a large catalog of DSD256 material and I have noticed it has grown considerably since my first download. Roon on a moderate laptop can upsample to DSD512 if you care to hear what it is capable of, good or bad.

  • #3
    I use the combination of the iDAC2, iUSB3 and an iPurifier2. I believe that comes out to under $1000. The Gemini cable for between the iUSB3 and the iDAC2 might put it slightly above the $1000 mark. If you aren't using a PC with a noisy internal USB system (most are, unfortunately) you could probably get by without the iUSB3. I am very satisfied with this combo.

    I've used it with double DSD files, but not quad DSD.
    Steve Lefkowicz
    Senior Associate Editor at Positive Feedback
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    Analog 1: Linn LP12 (MOSE/Hercules II), Ittok, Dynavector 10X5 MK.II Low, iPhono2/iPowerX; Analog 2: Pro-Ject RPM-1 Carbon, Talisman S, iFi iPhono.
    Digital: Samsung 300E5C notebook, JRiver Media Center 28, Tidal HiFi, Qobuz Studio), iFi NEO iDSD, iFi iUSB3, iPurifier2, Audioquest Jitterbug.
    Electronics: DIY passive line-stage, Antique Sound Labs MG-SI15DT-S, Burson Timekeeper Virtuoso
    Speakers: Tekton Perfect SET 15, Tekton Lore, Magneplaner .7
    Interconnects: Morrow Audio MA1, Vermouth Audio Black Pearl, Audioquest Evergreen
    Speaker cables: WyWyres Diamond, Morrow Audio SP4, Vermouth Audio Red Velvet, Audioquest Type 5
    Digital cables: Aural Symphonics USB, iFi Gemini twin-head USB.
    Accessories: Sound Organization turntable shelf, Mondo racks, Pangea Audio Vulcan rack, Pi Audio Group Über BUSS, Monster HTS2000 power conditioner, Kinetronics anti-static brush, Pro-Ject VC-S record cleaner, Spin Clean record cleaner.
    Headphones: Schiit Valhalla amp, Burson Conductor Virtuoso Amp, Meze Audio 99 Classic and 99 Neo, Beyerdynamic DT770Pro 600 ohm, DT770 Studio 80 ohm, 1More Triple Driver Over Ear, 1More Triple Driver IEM

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    • #4
      I have an Oppo Sonica ($800) and I think it's outstanding for the money. It does do DSD64. High end Sabre DAC chipset. All themodern features I require in a DAC like AirPlay, direct USB flash drive input on the front, etc. And in terms of sound quality it definitely rivals my $2500 tube-hybrid AVA DAC. I bought the Sonica mostly for the convenience features but it sounds so good it's my main digital source now. Of course for me digital is still mostly for background listening
      TAPE: Studer A807, A810; Revox B77 MkII; Technics RS-1700; Pioneer RT-707, RT-909
      VINYL: Denon DP59-L/Hana ML/ModWright PH 9.0; Pioneer PL-50LII/Dynavector 20xH
      DIGITAL: Bryston SP-3, Marantz NA6006/Pioneer N-50, Schiit Bifrost
      SPEAKERS: B&W Nautilus 800, Pioneer DSS-9, Velodyne FSR-15
      AMPS: Cary SLP-05/Sunfire Signature 600, Pioneer SX-1980

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      • #5
        The Oppo Sonica is a great entry DAC at under a grand. The Gustard X20Pro is also a great sounding DAC with a little more polish than the Oppo.
        Marty

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        • #6
          Myles the DAC choice is important to get the sound you like . a good dac at Any price point that does not have the Sound you like and synergy in your setup is still not good
          Lastly is the source you use . almost no dac less a. Cheap one will sound good without one. Lastly do you plAn to use tidal ? If yes you need a server that can connect to the internet. Quad dac while I feel is a must have yields so few music its not a must unless you plAn to upsample .
          If you explAin your pLanned source and I can better advise you .
          analog stuff.
          otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
          otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
          sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
          new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
          thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
          thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
          kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
          phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
          speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
          mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
          digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
          Dacs lampi various

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          • #7
            After playing with an inexpensive Audioquest Black upgraded to handle MQA, I am starting to be convinced that should be included in any future DAC I might get. Tidal Masters with the AQ Black into my headphones sounds fantastic.
            Steve Lefkowicz
            Senior Associate Editor at Positive Feedback
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            Analog 1: Linn LP12 (MOSE/Hercules II), Ittok, Dynavector 10X5 MK.II Low, iPhono2/iPowerX; Analog 2: Pro-Ject RPM-1 Carbon, Talisman S, iFi iPhono.
            Digital: Samsung 300E5C notebook, JRiver Media Center 28, Tidal HiFi, Qobuz Studio), iFi NEO iDSD, iFi iUSB3, iPurifier2, Audioquest Jitterbug.
            Electronics: DIY passive line-stage, Antique Sound Labs MG-SI15DT-S, Burson Timekeeper Virtuoso
            Speakers: Tekton Perfect SET 15, Tekton Lore, Magneplaner .7
            Interconnects: Morrow Audio MA1, Vermouth Audio Black Pearl, Audioquest Evergreen
            Speaker cables: WyWyres Diamond, Morrow Audio SP4, Vermouth Audio Red Velvet, Audioquest Type 5
            Digital cables: Aural Symphonics USB, iFi Gemini twin-head USB.
            Accessories: Sound Organization turntable shelf, Mondo racks, Pangea Audio Vulcan rack, Pi Audio Group Über BUSS, Monster HTS2000 power conditioner, Kinetronics anti-static brush, Pro-Ject VC-S record cleaner, Spin Clean record cleaner.
            Headphones: Schiit Valhalla amp, Burson Conductor Virtuoso Amp, Meze Audio 99 Classic and 99 Neo, Beyerdynamic DT770Pro 600 ohm, DT770 Studio 80 ohm, 1More Triple Driver Over Ear, 1More Triple Driver IEM

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            • #8
              I am with you in liking mqa but not buying my
              music I stream tidal mqa and reg tidal. To my brain it's an improvment over red book from tidal. I do wonder if tidal just streamed hi Rez if it would be as good or better.
              Your point is mine in mqa being a big factor too.
              Mqa is a hot spot on many forums being it's meridian taking hold of ownership of music.
              analog stuff.
              otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
              otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
              sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
              new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
              thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
              thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
              kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
              phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
              speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
              mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
              digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
              Dacs lampi various

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              • #9
                The Teac UD503 is a pretty good bargain these days;
                Chris
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                • #10
                  Myles it's not just price point it's sound you can listen too that will drive out of the room. Features you want is good but what good is having them if you hate the sound.
                  My first thought is a used mytek brooklyn that does all you want in mqa and Fomats. But I very much dislike the mytek sound on pcm always did. But mqa and dsd is better. You would not buy speakers based on just price with out hearing them would you. ???
                  analog stuff.
                  otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
                  otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
                  sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
                  new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
                  thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
                  thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
                  kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
                  phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
                  speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
                  mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
                  digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
                  Dacs lampi various

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by Alrainbow View Post
                    Myles it's not just price point it's sound you can listen too that will drive out of the room. Features you want is good but what good is having them if you hate the sound.
                    My first thought is a used mytek brooklyn that does all you want in mqa and Fomats. But I very much dislike the mytek sound on pcm always did. But mqa and dsd is better. You would not buy speakers based on just price with out hearing them would you. ???
                    Interesting on the Jeckyl and Hyde PCM vs. DSD performance of the Mytek.

                    Anyone else feel their DAC favors one format over the other? Can one DAC do both formats justice?
                    Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                    Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                    ________________________________________

                    -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
                    -Goldmund Telos 300 stereo amp
                    -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                    -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
                    -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                    -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                    -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                    -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                    -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 6, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                    -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.1+ platforms.

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