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    File This Under I Really Can't Get Excited Any More

    Seems to me the only thing the industry has done is shoot itself in the foot and sour the people on 4K TVs, especially the early adopters. Why should I buy a 4k now and then find out it's not the latest. Not to mention the amount of content stinks.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aLoJrMRk7PSf1oAUHJ5nR-oF66-Cfddf7y5a0d5lHc0/edit
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    I just bought a 4K TV at Costco today. Guess they were having sales on them for the Super Bowl. These things are cheap by audiophile standards. 50" TV's are going for a few hundred bucks!! 60-70" TV's can be had for a grand or so!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bruce B View Post
      I just bought a 4K TV at Costco today. Guess they were having sales on them for the Super Bowl. These things are cheap by audiophile standards. 50" TV's are going for a few hundred bucks!! 60-70" TV's can be had for a grand or so!
      One does have to be careful the sets have the current HDMI inputs though. They could be blowing out sets that won't work with any external 4K source like the soon to come or soon come 4K DVD players.

      But I think it's downright criminal that Sony, who sits on the biggest stockpile of movies, has done jack squat to release movies in 4K. Great sets and nothing to play on them (although the upsampled picture is good). Sorry a few Netflix shows and a dozen, maybe two dozen movies between Netflix and Amazon is laughable.
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      -Goldmund Telos 440 and 1000 Nextgen mono amps
      -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
      -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
      -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
      -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
      -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, vdh Colibri Master Signature, Mutech Hayabusa,
      -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
      -Assorted cables including Skogrand, Kubala-Sosna, Audience FrontRow; Audience FrontRow, Genesis Advanced Technologies , Goldmund and Ensemble Power Cords
      -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.3+ platforms.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bruce B View Post
        I just bought a 4K TV at Costco today. Guess they were having sales on them for the Super Bowl. These things are cheap by audiophile standards. 50" TV's are going for a few hundred bucks!! 60-70" TV's can be had for a grand or so!
        Amazing...I remember paying $1600.00 for a 37" Sharp LCD back in 2005.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by rockitman View Post

          Amazing...I remember paying $1600.00 for a 37" Sharp LCD back in 2005.
          I bought a 40" Sony XBR Bravia for the bedroom in 2004 with lift. The TV was $4200 !!

          Saw a 42" today for $399.. LOL
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          • #6
            One thing for sure, we know high-end audio doesn't follow the pricing structure of computers/consumer electronics whereby the products continue to improve at a fast clip and the prices continue to drop. As for 4K, I mentioned that yesterday in the thread about Quad DSD and why I haven't jumped into that rabbit hole yet. Early adopters of 4k don't have much 4k content at all to watch on their 4k TVs.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by mep View Post
              One thing for sure, we know high-end audio doesn't follow the pricing structure of computers/consumer electronics whereby the products continue to improve at a fast clip and the prices continue to drop. As for 4K, I mentioned that yesterday in the thread about Quad DSD and why I haven't jumped into that rabbit hole yet. Early adopters of 4k don't have much 4k content at all to watch on their 4k TVs.

              Beauty of making things in the millions. And they can afford to sell things for next to no profit to get market share.
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              -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
              -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
              -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
              -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, vdh Colibri Master Signature, Mutech Hayabusa,
              -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
              -Assorted cables including Skogrand, Kubala-Sosna, Audience FrontRow; Audience FrontRow, Genesis Advanced Technologies , Goldmund and Ensemble Power Cords
              -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.3+ platforms.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mep View Post
                One thing for sure, we know high-end audio doesn't follow the pricing structure of computers/consumer electronics whereby the products continue to improve at a fast clip and the prices continue to drop. As for 4K, I mentioned that yesterday in the thread about Quad DSD and why I haven't jumped into that rabbit hole yet. Early adopters of 4k don't have much 4k content at all to watch on their 4k TVs.
                well within a couple years, we should have 4K UHD BLURAY DISC format available along with a new standard HDMI to deliver it, then 4K should really start to swell in popularity.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post


                  Beauty of making things in the millions. And they can afford to sell things for next to no profit to get market share.
                  yeah, they take a loss on every one sold, and make up for it in quantity.
                  Last edited by JCOConnell; 02-08-2016, 08:36 PM. Reason: typo
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                  • #10
                    I remember paying $1,800 for my 42" Panny Plasma some 10 or so years ago. Bought a 55" LG LCD years later for under a grand, and I still have it. For me to consider 4K the content has to be there....I suspect that'll take quite a few more years.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rockitman View Post

                      Amazing...I remember paying $1600.00 for a 37" Sharp LCD back in 2005.

                      I remember seeing my first flat screen Philips TV (probably 32" plasma) in Oslo airport in 1996...its price tag was $30K US.

                      I would consider LG 4K OLED that shown during the SB.

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                      • #12
                        Here's the problem the OLED.

                        I was talking to the man installing my 4K UltraHD set and mentioned in passing I was thinking of the OLED but didn't want to wait for the prices to drop. He told me he hates the OLEDs because they have to order three sets to get one that works eg. OLEDs can't handle shipping and come broken. Uggghhh....
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                        Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                        ________________________________________

                        -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
                        -Goldmund Telos 440 and 1000 Nextgen mono amps
                        -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                        -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
                        -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                        -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                        -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, vdh Colibri Master Signature, Mutech Hayabusa,
                        -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                        -Assorted cables including Skogrand, Kubala-Sosna, Audience FrontRow; Audience FrontRow, Genesis Advanced Technologies , Goldmund and Ensemble Power Cords
                        -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.3+ platforms.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Johnny Vinyl View Post
                          I remember paying $1,800 for my 42" Panny Plasma some 10 or so years ago. Bought a 55" LG LCD years later for under a grand, and I still have it. For me to consider 4K the content has to be there....I suspect that'll take quite a few more years.
                          I bought a 34" Sony CRT HDTV in 2005 for $1800. At that time a sony 32" LCD was $3200 . Now a sony 32" LCD is about $200.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post

                            I bought a 34" Sony CRT HDTV in 2005 for $1800. At that time a sony 32" LCD was $3200 . Now a sony 32" LCD is about $200.

                            Funny you mention that! Remember that well. I bought one of those Sony TVs back in 2003 (?) And man it was HUGE.
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                            Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                            ________________________________________

                            -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
                            -Goldmund Telos 440 and 1000 Nextgen mono amps
                            -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                            -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
                            -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                            -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                            -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, vdh Colibri Master Signature, Mutech Hayabusa,
                            -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                            -Assorted cables including Skogrand, Kubala-Sosna, Audience FrontRow; Audience FrontRow, Genesis Advanced Technologies , Goldmund and Ensemble Power Cords
                            -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.3+ platforms.

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