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    in the past year I have done many things to my old speakers , it's been a journey . New cross overs , new connections through out . New custom room for them. Positions nine them has been a big choire too. Moving 500 pound speakers is no treat the whole set is about 1500 pounds . I never good dial them in like most do. What I did today is not over I know this , but they are very different speakers. Playing my ref tunes proves this to me. Staging is solid but tones have changed a bit. Setting the bass tower output level is just beginning but as I make changes its obvious what has changed. It's like it's all in place and now it's just tune them. What killing me more than the new sound is the placement needed. It makes me wonder what were they thinking when they made them. As my picture shows I look right at one one tower .
    analog stuff.
    otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
    otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
    sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
    new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
    thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
    thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
    kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
    phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
    speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
    mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
    digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
    Dacs lampi various

  • #2
    There is no picture attached, Al. But, what you are describing, the painstaking incremental repositioning of multiple, heavy elements and additional adjustments that all interact with each other and the room is also true of newer speakers too. I am starting in a new room, not quite at the speaker set up stage yet- still having cable pulled-- but switching rooms, or changing the set up of a system, can be a hell of a lot of work.

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    • #3
      analog stuff.
      otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
      otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
      sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
      new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
      thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
      thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
      kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
      phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
      speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
      mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
      digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
      Dacs lampi various

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      • #4
        Is that still a work in progress? Or will you be leaving the right woofer in the middle? I haven't heard that speaker in years, the last time i did, it was in a room with higher ceilings than yours, big room by most people's standards, but not huge. Rockport table, can't remember what preamp, VTL amps. Sounded pretty good. Long time ago...

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        • #5
          Here is the deal. When you have two woofer columns that are in phase they add in the middle. Now I did not know this I was told and I am not quoting them in any way. But the point is I needed to be outside the bump on the side
          to do this I had to move the right woofer tower to the middle and the left woofer tower is to the left off the wall about one foot. The room is 20 feet wide and 9 feet high and about 50 feet deep. Moving my seat foward or back helped the bump. But even at 18 feet back from them I am up 20 DB at 100 hertz. But if I went to one side the bump was gone. I noticed this but had no idea why. I am told if I use dsp and put the towers about 20 degrees out of phase to each tower the bump will cancel. My room has no acoustic devices at all. It was built for these and sound proofed. I admit it looks odd but the sound is off the hook
          I do have a Deqx HPD 4'and a express I could use it to fix the woofer towers and then use it to fix the timing for them. And I guess I will possible I have a support package with audio frontiers for them. What I don't get is how many pictures I see on the web of these and they all look centered. The finish of the room I may never get to do as I am ill amd planning to swell them when I done playing them. Crazy right.
          analog stuff.
          otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
          otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
          sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
          new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
          thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
          thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
          kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
          phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
          speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
          mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
          digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
          Dacs lampi various

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          • #6
            50 feet is a pretty long room! Al, you could do a viking thing with them when you go.

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            • #7
              Hahahha so true maby I could get drunk and burn the place down with me .
              analog stuff.
              otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
              otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
              sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
              new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
              thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
              thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
              kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
              phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
              speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
              mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
              digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
              Dacs lampi various

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              • #8
                I don't think anyone will quibble that there's still life in some of the best of the old speaker designs. Only you better be sure this is THE one since you will never get the money out of them you will invest in updates.
                Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
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                • #9
                  A good point but look at it this way. For me to get near anything like will be a pretty penny. Over the years I would est I have invested about 15K or so. Not bad really if one considers the cost of new. I have heard many hiend and each time before I do I remain open and feel the new will blow away mine. For me while others are very nice it's not like mine is. Could be I am used to what they are as well.
                  Anyway if we do meet I am sure you will be impressed by what you do hear. How well they are in accuracy i have no idea. If and when I would like very much your honest view of them. And I do mean honest not need for bullshit please. I have been making a list of what to play. And of course you can pick from my servers anything you wish.
                  analog stuff.
                  otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 made new by soren
                  otari mtr 10 2 track 1/4 1/2 combo made new by soren
                  sota sapphire used eminent tech ver 2 arm
                  new sota nova table has magnetic levitation platter and full speed control and latest motor same arm as above
                  thorens td124 sme ver 2 arm
                  thorens td125 sme ver 2 arm
                  kenwood direct drive sme ver 2 arm
                  phono preamp Ml no 25 all re capped
                  speakers cust infinity IRS V , new caps and LPS , magnets etc.
                  mark levivson pre no 26 amps no 33
                  digital three cust servers , win ser 2016 , AO
                  Dacs lampi various

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