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  • Could You Live Without A Remote Control for Your Preamplifier?

    Military style option on this one.

    A little while back, I reviewed a preamplifier that lacked remote control facilities. Geez, I didn't realize how much I loved and was addicted to my remote control.

    Is a unit having or not having a remote control a deal breaker for you?

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    Yes
    46.38%
    32
    No
    53.62%
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    Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
    Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
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    -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
    -Goldmund Telos 300 stereo amp
    -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
    -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
    -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
    -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
    -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
    -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
    -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 6, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
    -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.1+ platforms.

  • #2
    Not telling anyone else how to use their system, but just for me, and how I tend to listen to my server, yes, a remote would be essential in any new preamp I buy. There is large variance in loudness from each different digital album, and when picking and choosing or playing on shuffle I have to adjust the volume for almost every track. The ability to quickly adjust volume for each track is essential.

    Not so much when listening to LPs, as there I set it at the beginning and don't need to touch it again until the LP is finished.
    Steve Lefkowicz
    Senior Associate Editor at Positive Feedback
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    Analog 1: Linn LP12 (MOSE/Hercules II), Ittok, Dynavector 10X5 MK.II Low, iPhono2/iPowerX; Analog 2: Pro-Ject RPM-1 Carbon, Talisman S, iFi iPhono.
    Digital: Samsung 300E5C notebook, JRiver Media Center 28, Tidal HiFi, Qobuz Studio), iFi NEO iDSD, iFi iUSB3, iPurifier2, Audioquest Jitterbug.
    Electronics: DIY passive line-stage, Antique Sound Labs MG-SI15DT-S, Burson Timekeeper Virtuoso
    Speakers: Tekton Lore, Magneplaner .7
    Interconnects: Morrow Audio MA1, Vermouth Audio Black Pearl, Audioquest Evergreen
    Speaker cables: Morrow Audio SP4, Vermouth Audio Red Velvet, Audioquest Type 5
    Digital cables: Aural Symphonics USB, iFi Gemini twin-head USB.
    Accessories: Sound Organization turntable shelf, Mondo racks, Pangea Audio Vulcan rack, Pi Audio Group Über BUSS, Monster HTS2000 power conditioner, Kinetronics anti-static brush, Pro-Ject VC-S record cleaner, Spin Clean record cleaner.
    Headphones: Schiit Valhalla amp, Burson Conductor Virtuoso Amp, Meze Audio 99 Classic and 99 Neo, Beyerdynamic DT770Pro 600 ohm, DT770 Studio 80 ohm, 1More Triple Driver Over Ear, 1More Triple Driver IEM

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    • #3
      I have a really strong love/hate relationship with remotes. Basically I hate them and use them as little as I can. Who knows, but maybe this is subconsciously a reason for not wanting to dive into digital.
      Dynavector DV20x2L MC cartridge - Genesis G7.1f speakers - Marantz Reference PM-KI-Pearl Int. Amp. - Oracle Audio Paris MkV turntable - Various Morrow & Valab/King cables

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      • #4
        Not having a remote is like going back to the stone ages of audio. Yes, I have certainly lived with preamps that didn't have remotes over the years, but I don't want to go back to them though. Not having a remote is like buying a car with no tires. It's a deal breaker for me.
        Micro Seiki SX-8000 table with flywheel, SME 3012R arm, SME 312S arm, Lyra Etna SL and Dynavector XV-1S cartridges, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 tape deck, Ampex 350 repros, Roon Nucleus Plus server, PS Audio DSJ DAC, ARC Ref 6 pre, ARC Ref 75 amp, JBL 4345 speakers, and Def Tech Ref subs.

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        • #5
          I am constantly changing the volume, so I love having a remote. It's really an essential tool for me because I want to play back the recording at a precise level some times. And I haven't had any preamps without volume control in a long time. On the other hand, If I didn't have a RC, I could use the exercise to get up and change it manually. Audio cardio Myles?
          Speakers/Amps: Genesis G2.2 Jr with Powered Servo-Sub Bass, Genesis GR1440 Mono Amps, 5,000 watts total power
          Preamp: SMc Audio VRE-1C Preamp (fully balanced inputs and output)
          Analog 1: VPI Signature 21 Belt-Drive Turntable w/ 10” 3D Printed Fatboy Gimbal Arm and Ortofon MC Windfeld Ti Phono Cartridge driving Lehmann Silver Cube Phono Preamp
          Analog 2: VPI HW-40 Direct-Drive Turntable w/ 12” 3D Printed Fatboy Gimbal Arm and Ortofon MC Anna Diamond Phono Cartridge driving Genesis Gold Phono Preamp
          Analog 3: Studer A810 R2R tape w/ Bridge Console. Using built-in tape preamp
          Digital: Lumin Network Player with Lumin NAS
          Cables: Genesis Advanced Technologies/Absolute Fidelity Interface Interconnects, Speaker, Phono and Power
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          • #6
            I would say no as I think the compromise could be worth it. Jfrench has the Robert Koda preamp and has been very happy. I'm guessing the FCrowder Audio Note review that is in process will come down on the same side.



            I do listen to a majority of lp's which have a consistent volume on each side. I can see where this is a no go for a digital system with multiple titles mixed in everyday listening.

            Interestinly the Ypsilon pre is remote only and that puts me off as I will use my preamps manual controls when I am at the rack making changes to sources.

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            • #7
              I can live with a preamp that lacks remote control facilities but I can't live without the remote for my Merrill Audio Cara preamp as it is lacks any other controls.

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              Analog: Holbo Turntable, Transfiguration Proteus; Forsell Air Reference, Transfiguration Phoenix S; Rega RP-8, VdH Crimson XGW; VPI Prime Signature, VAS Nova Mono, VAS Nova Signature, Symphonic Line RG-8
              Digital: Mac mini 6,2 with YFS PS-12M LPS; Exogal Comet Plus, Exogal Ion PowerDAC
              Electronics: Aurorasound Vida, Channel D Lino C; Merrill Cara, Gryphon M-100 Mkii (pair)
              Cables: Morrow, Gryphon interconnects; YFS USB cable; Morrow, XLO, Channel D phono cables; Morrow, Gryphon, Goertz speaker cables

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post
                Military style option on this one.

                A little while back, I reviewed a preamplifier that lacked remote control facilities. Geez, I didn't realize how much I loved and was addicted to my remote control.

                Is a unit having or not having a remote control a deal breaker for you?
                I'm confused. Ok, no wise cracks here. The topic heading is a question. "Can I live without a remote control for my preamp." The answer is yes. In fact I don't have a preamp with a remote. HOWEVER, the closing question asks if buying a preamp without a remote is a deal breaker? The answer to that is no.
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                VTL 6.5 preamp Series II
                Pass Labs 150.8 Amp

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                • #9
                  My preamp does not have a remote

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                  • #10
                    I currently have two preamp/line stages, a simple passive DIY unit and a Burson Conductor Virtuoso that I use strictly as a line stage (I don't use the built in DAC or headphone amp). When I have the Burson in the system (a very good solid state line stage), the main reason would be to have the remote volume control. Sometimes I need the added gain, depending on which power amp I have in the system. However, If I am on an LP listening kick, and have an amp that can get away with the passive line stage, I always go back to that.
                    Steve Lefkowicz
                    Senior Associate Editor at Positive Feedback
                    -
                    Analog 1: Linn LP12 (MOSE/Hercules II), Ittok, Dynavector 10X5 MK.II Low, iPhono2/iPowerX; Analog 2: Pro-Ject RPM-1 Carbon, Talisman S, iFi iPhono.
                    Digital: Samsung 300E5C notebook, JRiver Media Center 28, Tidal HiFi, Qobuz Studio), iFi NEO iDSD, iFi iUSB3, iPurifier2, Audioquest Jitterbug.
                    Electronics: DIY passive line-stage, Antique Sound Labs MG-SI15DT-S, Burson Timekeeper Virtuoso
                    Speakers: Tekton Lore, Magneplaner .7
                    Interconnects: Morrow Audio MA1, Vermouth Audio Black Pearl, Audioquest Evergreen
                    Speaker cables: Morrow Audio SP4, Vermouth Audio Red Velvet, Audioquest Type 5
                    Digital cables: Aural Symphonics USB, iFi Gemini twin-head USB.
                    Accessories: Sound Organization turntable shelf, Mondo racks, Pangea Audio Vulcan rack, Pi Audio Group Über BUSS, Monster HTS2000 power conditioner, Kinetronics anti-static brush, Pro-Ject VC-S record cleaner, Spin Clean record cleaner.
                    Headphones: Schiit Valhalla amp, Burson Conductor Virtuoso Amp, Meze Audio 99 Classic and 99 Neo, Beyerdynamic DT770Pro 600 ohm, DT770 Studio 80 ohm, 1More Triple Driver Over Ear, 1More Triple Driver IEM

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                    • #11
                      I just wish remotes came with a clapper!
                      Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                      Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                      ________________________________________

                      -Zellaton Plural Evo speakers
                      -Goldmund Telos 300 stereo amp
                      -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                      -Doshi EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostage
                      -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                      -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                      -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga Mk. 2, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                      -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                      -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 6, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                      -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz 3 racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA OHIO Class 2.1+ platforms.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post
                        I just wish remotes came with a clapper!
                        That would be great with one of those percussion albums you recommended.
                        Analog: Holbo Turntable, Transfiguration Proteus; Forsell Air Reference, Transfiguration Phoenix S; Rega RP-8, VdH Crimson XGW; VPI Prime Signature, VAS Nova Mono, VAS Nova Signature, Symphonic Line RG-8
                        Digital: Mac mini 6,2 with YFS PS-12M LPS; Exogal Comet Plus, Exogal Ion PowerDAC
                        Electronics: Aurorasound Vida, Channel D Lino C; Merrill Cara, Gryphon M-100 Mkii (pair)
                        Cables: Morrow, Gryphon interconnects; YFS USB cable; Morrow, XLO, Channel D phono cables; Morrow, Gryphon, Goertz speaker cables

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post
                          I just wish remotes came with a clapper!
                          So I have a dedicated listening room away from the main part of my house and I don't let the dogs or cats into my room. In other words, I should always know where my remote is which is on top of the end table that sits next to my listening chair. For some reason, I went into the small workshop room adjacent to my stereo room the other day and carried my remote in there while I was looking for something. I sat the remote on one of my storage shelves while I was looking and walked out of the room without it. The next time I reached for my remote, it wasn't there and I had forgot about the trip I had taken it on. I convinced myself the remote thief had bitten me and I was going crazy looking for it until I finally found it.
                          Micro Seiki SX-8000 table with flywheel, SME 3012R arm, SME 312S arm, Lyra Etna SL and Dynavector XV-1S cartridges, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 tape deck, Ampex 350 repros, Roon Nucleus Plus server, PS Audio DSJ DAC, ARC Ref 6 pre, ARC Ref 75 amp, JBL 4345 speakers, and Def Tech Ref subs.

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                          • MylesBAstor
                            MylesBAstor commented
                            Editing a comment
                            Yeah kitties get blamed for anything that is missing in this household.

                        • #14
                          A remote is certainly convenient although not a deal breaker for me.....
                          Jeff Whitlock
                          A/V Solutions

                          www.avsolutionsca.com

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                          • #15
                            What about the opposite - no controls on the actual preamp where you HAVE to use a remote? I was surprised how much this bothered me recently when auditioning a couple preamps of this nature.
                            Magico M-Project, CAT JL7SE, CH Precision L1/X1/P1, Kronos Pro Limited Edition/SME 3012R/Atlas SL/Opus-1, Schiit Yggdrasil, ZenWave D4 ICs & SCs

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                            • dan31
                              dan31 commented
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                              Was that the Ypsilon preamp? Great sound but no manual controls puts me off as well. Don't ever lose that remote or run out of batteries.

                            • Madfloyd
                              Madfloyd commented
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                              Yes, also the Aries Cerat Impera.

                            • MylesBAstor
                              MylesBAstor commented
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                              That would bother me as everything eventually breaks. It was like having to choose between the normal Air Tangent tonearm and the one with remote control adjustable VTA/SRA. Love the latter but know it's just an issue waiting to happen.
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