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  • Ten Best Concert Halls in the World

    What happened to Carnegie? Someone forget it?

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    Maybe it never recovered from the stigma of the renovation.

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    • #3
      Carnegie Hall 1-10.😁 La Scala excellent and La Fenice excellent
      Norhing built in the last 50 years.😩Although the Barbican in London not bad. Haven't been in severance, symphony Hall Boston, Chicago Sym Hall.

      there are some small venues like Mechanics Hall in MA which are suppose to be excellent I haven't visited.
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      • MylesBAstor
        MylesBAstor commented
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        I think there are few down toward the bottom of the list that are from the last thirty years. It would be interesting to look at the list and how many have remained intact for the most part for their lifetime. For instance, it seems the Tchaikovsky Hall has undergone many rennovations.

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    • #4
      I've heard concerts in the first 3. Can't disagree with those. Also they are the home to three of the top orchestras in the world - Vienna Phil, BSO, and Royal Concertgebouw. However, most of the other halls on the list are not home to very good orchestras. Birmingham has a quite good, but not great orchestra. Dallas is also good, but not great. None of the rest have quality orchestras. I'm not including the bonus halls, just the top ten.

      Part of the problem is that most of the top orchestras play in big halls, to bring in the crowds and the money. The typical great sounding shoebox has 1600-2000 seats, not 2500-3000+.

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      • #5
        Oh yes, musicverein. Forgot but have never benn able to get tickets. I have been in the Concertgebouw. Also excellent.
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        • #6
          Troy Savings Bank Music Hall is one that is often overlooked but has wonderful acoustics.

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          • #7
            Originally posted by astrotoy View Post
            I've heard concerts in the first 3. Can't disagree with those. Also they are the home to three of the top orchestras in the world - Vienna Phil, BSO, and Royal Concertgebouw. However, most of the other halls on the list are not home to very good orchestras. Birmingham has a quite good, but not great orchestra. Dallas is also good, but not great. None of the rest have quality orchestras. I'm not including the bonus halls, just the top ten.

            Part of the problem is that most of the top orchestras play in big halls, to bring in the crowds and the money. The typical great sounding shoebox has 1600-2000 seats, not 2500-3000+.

            Larry
            Agreed. You saw the comment about the "shoebox" halls. Despite their acoustics, everyone wants sexy nowadays. And sexy brings uneven sound distribution thoughout the hall.

            Symphony Hall in Boston is the best I've ever heard. Better than Carnegie even in its heyday. Just crystalline clarity and a wave of sound on big pieces--take Mahler for instance--that just washes over you. And the creaking of the seats just adds a little realism to the sound!
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            • #8
              Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post
              Troy Savings Bank Music Hall is one that is often overlooked but has wonderful acoustics.

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              troy certainly gets 👍On aesthetics. Very classic old school look where all elevated side seating are boxes. No stage shell because the room is small enough to not require it. I'd love to hear it.

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              • #9
                I think the shoebox shapes are supposed to be the best. I go to Barbican a few times a month, and love the LSO, and usually get a good seat, but unfortunately it does not have the best reputation for sound. Though I think in the good seats it is fine. It really loses it a bit at the sides. I have been to concertgebouw once and it was brilliant. I have been to Birmingham a couple of times but while the acoustics are better, it cannot match the LSO at the Barbican. I will try to go to Vienna and Concertgebouw for large orchestras.

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                • #10
                  Both the Concertgebouw - which I have visited many times - and the Musikverein (which I visited only once) are marvelous for big orchestral pieces. I would love to visit the Boston Symphony hall. What about the hall of San Fransisco: is it good? I like some of the symphonies that MTT recorded in that hall (including some of the Mahler symphonies).

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post

                    Agreed. You saw the comment about the "shoebox" halls. Despite their acoustics, everyone wants sexy nowadays. And sexy brings uneven sound distribution thoughout the hall.

                    Symphony Hall in Boston is the best I've ever heard. Better than Carnegie even in its heyday. Just crystalline clarity and a wave of sound on big pieces--take Mahler for instance--that just washes over you. And the creaking of the seats just adds a little realism to the sound!
                    Give the architects Magnepans, then shoebox will be the new sexy.

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                    • #12
                      If you want a read on the different designs of concert halls, the reasons why finally so few concert halls are well rated (at least the ones not built in last 2 decades) and the role of psycho-acoustics, then the following document that is extremely well written is a must read:
                      AcousticBrief_PdP_2006.pdf
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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by flyer View Post
                        If you want a read on the different designs of concert halls, the reasons why finally so few concert halls are well rated (at least the ones not built in last 2 decades) and the role of psycho-acoustics, then the following document that is extremely well written is a must read:
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                        • #14
                          Having watched Bernard Haitink do Bruckner 7 in Concertgebouw at 154 Euros, and at Barbican at either 40 or 65 GBP (don't remember), I much preferred the latter, nothing to do with costs which made the whole deal sweeter. This is possibly because of the LSO at the Barbican, plus that I have learned to optimize my seating there (the Barbican sounds great in some back of center stalls seats, and quite bad in other seats, while I believe the Concertgebouw is more consistent across).

                          But a new hall I fell in love with was the Sheldonian at Oxford - it is a small intimate venue, where people sit surrounding the performers, with steps going up from the stage, looking down. So for a piano concerto (Saint-saens) I sat above the angle of the lid, looking down the open lid of the piano). It is also an excellent venue for other chamber like Debussy preludes etc, and I am planning to watch Maxim Vengerov there. It cannot do big pieces unfortunately, but I haven't heard anything remotely close in piano and strings. It is worth flying over from EU to listen to this at least once.

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                          • #15
                            I suppose it should always be about sound, but watching a performance at a hall or small venue with loads of history is worth the price of admission as well. When you walk into a place like Massey Hall and know that so many performances were recorded there it gives you a feeling of history and being in a place that was valued by the musicians and patrons alike. It's special. It's no different than walking around the old Montreal Forum or Maple Leaf Gardens. Magic happened there and one can feel it. And while the acoustics of the Grand Halls are perhaps vastly superior, the history of a venue is easily enjoyed by me as well.
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                              1morerecord2clean commented
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                              Not necessarily but ultimately sound is important JV. But let me say that as good as Carnegie is the upstairs is only rivaled by coach on a plane for discomfort. The academy of Music in Philly was even worse with giant support columns placed along rows of seats upstairs. And that feeling of history is always with me at Carnegie. Have you ever seen the movie Carnegie Hall?

                            • MylesBAstor
                              MylesBAstor commented
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                              Don't forget the hall's sound also impacts the musician's playing eg. How well they can hear each other.
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