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  • russe41
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    I listen to 3 tuners, all sound great. Revox B760,McIntosh MR74 and a Sony xdr-f1hd which is a very small Hybrid Digital unit that sounds
    pretty darn good for HD Radio broadcasts. Many of the secondary channels on HD Radio have no commercials, it's to bad it didn't take off.
    Once in a while it's nice to turn on radio for a change, it's nostalgic like putting on an album or tape.

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  • JCOConnell
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    I don't know what you mean by big investment, but you can buy many fine fm tuners used for under $500 on ebay. That's not too bad.

  • Tech7738
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    Perhaps it's different in other areas, but I've never yet run into a GC or architect who knew anything about acoustics. Most of them have odd concepts of the basic principles of isolation, like they put up a wall with double layers of drywall to create a "sound wall", then punch an outlet hole in them negating the double layers, or flanking paths are ignored. Or they blow it with HVAC duct work. Perhaps isolation doesn't matter as much in a particular job, but if they don't understand those concepts, they sure don't get any other part of interior acoustic design either. No, I'd get a real acoustics expert involved with the GC and architect very, very early. They will change your design to meet your goals.

    HAA has been around for many years. I'm personally not a member having elected the THX path, but the principles are the same, and training is similar.

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  • c1ferrari
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    Appreciate your input. The general contractor is critical and should have a reliable crew that respects the various trades and takes pride in their work!

    I've never heard of the Home Acoustic Alliance.

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  • Tech7738
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    Originally posted by c1ferrari View Post
    Tech - if you were designing a dedicated listening space...whom would you choose?
    Well if I were designing a dedicated listing space, I'd be doing the design (part of what I do). If you wanted a custom designed dedicated listening space, you might consider a professional in your area. Designing the space is one part of the project, but supervising the various contractors to make sure the design is not compromised is a big part of the job. Got to be on-site for that. Then there's tuning, installation...etc., etc...

    Look for someone through the Home Acoustic Alliance, or THX.

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  • c1ferrari
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    Originally posted by Tech7738 View Post
    ...then put that $5K into something that makes an audible improvement, like...acoustic treatment...you know, the stuff that makes a an actual big difference.
    Tech - if you were designing a dedicated listening space...whom would you choose?

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  • Tech7738
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    Yup, that's completely correct. I had a system calibration client with $350K in gear in a room that was 80% hard reflective surfaces. He had two choices: take it or leave it.

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  • Aperiodic
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    Originally posted by Tech7738 View Post
    ...then put that $5K into something that makes an audible improvement, like speakers and acoustic treatment...you know, the stuff that makes a an actual big difference.
    Put FM tuners dead last in the priorities.
    Agreed. I'm constantly amazed seeing photos that show systems in the 25-40K (and up) range- in rooms where the acoustics budget was obviously zero. One dollar spent on the room probably has an effect equaling $10 spent on the equipment.

    Sadly, I just don't think there are enough first rate FM stations to justify a big investment in FM anymore.

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  • Tech7738
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    Originally posted by Aperiodic View Post
    ... if you've got that burning a hole in your pocket, then Whiskey Tango Foxtrot...
    ...then put that $5K into something that makes an audible improvement, like speakers and acoustic treatment...you know, the stuff that makes a an actual big difference.
    Put FM tuners dead last in the priorities.

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  • Aperiodic
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    Originally posted by Tech7738 View Post

    Here you go...

    And that underscores my earlier comment. There is nothing transmitted on FM anywhere in the world that is good enough to warrant that price. Nothing.
    Hey, don't overlook the free shipping ;-) ...

    I largely agree that $5K is a waste of money for an FM tuner, but if you've got that burning a hole in your pocket, then Whiskey Tango Foxtrot... Also, those stations that it was hard to tell from CD's? They were all public stations that did not have a commercial incentive to be the loudest station on the dial and 'took it easy' with their signal processing. Maybe that helped their sound be as good as it was, In my radio market, between Baltimore and WDC, there is one part-time Jazz station with a lot of airtime devoted to public affairs programming (WPFW), one Classical station (WETA),; Baltimore has one Classical station (WBJC) and one college station that plays some Fuzak. I believe there is a full time 'Smooth jazz' station in each market (tweaked to sound 'loud', plus I hate the 'smooth jazz' genre in general). I could get the Baltimore stations reasonably well if I put a beam antenna and a rotator on the roof. Did that back in the day, but why bother when I can get superior SQ from Tidal.

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  • Tech7738
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    Originally posted by jonathanhorwich View Post
    Scientific? Nope. Am I satisfied? Yes.
    That's the key right there. It takes different things to satisfy different people. But ultimately, satisfaction is why we're in this in the first place, whatever it takes.

    I'll just say that it has been proven that the color and design of the front panel makes a difference in perceived sound. The question, at least for me, becomes: does it really? Well, you can't find that out by sighted listening, so....(turns out, the color has no effect at all once it can no longer be seen).

    We are all highly subject to perceptual bias. It's part of what makes this all so much fun. It's part of what we pay for. It's why gear that looks great is preferred over gear that looks like junk, even though the junk may actually perform better. And designers know this very well. Just look at Dan Dagostino's designs. OMG, I don't even care what they sound like! But if someone were to ask me if their sound is worth the money, well, that's a very different question, and I'd have to eliminate the sexy visuals completely to answer that one.

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  • jonathanhorwich
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    Hey, I admit I'm too lazy or whatever to be as exacting as your suggestion. I test the sound of tape decks by making sure they are aligned and I listen for a good while and then decide which I want. I will never ever do a rapid A/B. Never. I listen for a good while to each components. It works for me. Maybe it isn't perfect but I'm happy and I love what I do and I get away with it or even if I make some wrong choices I'm happy and good. You're not wrong. I just don't spend that much time to do it other than listen a good while. I'm testing a new amp right now and am listening and listening. No A/B. I hear more and more the characteristics of the amp. Scientific? Nope. Am I satisfied? Yes. It's my money and time. Someone wants a tape deck I tell them which has what sound from my long term experience. It works somehow.

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  • Tech7738
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    It's just that I suggested a controlled, level-matched double-blind test in a forum that is dominantly counter-polarized. Usually some ammunition is fired at guys like me!

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  • jonathanhorwich
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    Got it. I get that and very true. Don't dive too deep. No one is shooting.

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  • Tech7738
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    I'm just concerned that there may not be a full understanding of how that comparison needs to be done. If two devices are actually identical in every way, but one is a fraction of a dB louder, it will sound different and usually be preferred. Level match is extremely critical when comparing devices that have little difference to begin with.

    I knew the cassette analogy was bad, I'm sorry I used it now, because it's actually more complex than comparing tuners. There are many adjustments in tape recording and playback that have a major impact on the end result. Just swapping players playing the same tape will almost certainly present a clearly audible difference because they are not aligned equally. You could compare two samples of the same player and end up with major audible differences because of alignment discrepancies. Those issues are not present nearly so much in FM tuners, though alignment issues do occur.

    What you don't want to do is plug one in, listen and form an opinion, then plug in another, listen and form an opinion. The perceptual bias is dominant, you won't be deciding based on real differences. True for every signal type of device.

    And now, I dive into the foxhole to cover my head!

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