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  • Technics SP10 Direct-Drive Turntables

    Vintage brought back to life? Is there a better example than this turntable?

    http://www.soundfountain.com/amb/sp10page.html

    Direct-drive turntable were once the pariah of high-end audio and are now seeing a rebirth with Dobbin's The Beat, VPI, Brinkmann, etc. (in fact, it was Steve Dobbin's table that turned me back onto DD turntables.)As we get older, it's obvious that dogmas are there to be overturned.

    I was trying to find Mark's review of Peter Norbaeck's power supply for positive-feedback but can't for the life of me find it. Maybe Mark can provide it!
    Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
    Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
    ________________________________________

    -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
    -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
    -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
    -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
    -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
    -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
    -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
    -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
    -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
    -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

  • #2
    You couldn't find it because it was never written! I thought about it, but I didn't know if Dave Clark would want me to review such a niche product for a table that is no longer in production and hasn't been for years.
    Micro Seiki SX-8000 table with flywheel, SME 3012R arm, SME 312S arm, Lyra Etna SL and Dynavector XV-1S cartridges, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 tape deck, Ampex 350 repros, Roon Nucleus Plus server, PS Audio DSJ DAC, ARC Ref 6 pre, ARC Ref 75 amp, JBL 4345 speakers, and Def Tech Ref subs.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by mep View Post
      You couldn't find it because it was never written! I thought about it, but I didn't know if Dave Clark would want me to review such a niche product for a table that is no longer in production and hasn't been for years.
      I definitely would write it up. PF way back reviewed some SE tube amps that couldn't have sold more than 10 units!

      I think you should mention it here too!
      Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
      Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
      ________________________________________

      -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
      -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
      -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
      -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
      -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
      -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
      -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
      -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
      -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
      -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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      • #4
        I have a Kenwood KD-500 DD turntable that I use to play mono records only that sounds outstanding. Its the one with the faux granite plinth. DD turntables can sound excellent if the design is good.
        Magnepan 1.6 QR Loudspeakers, Amherst A-2000 MOSFET 150 WPC Amp, Conrad Johnson PV-10A Modded Tube Line & Phono Stage, Electrocompaniet MC II Class A Head Amp, Audio Technica AT-OC9XML Cart (St) , Graham Engineering 2.2 Tonearm (St) , VPI Aries-1 Turntable (St) , VPI Clamp, Denon DL-102 Cart, (M) , Luxman Tonearm (M) , Kenwood KD-500 Turntable (M) , Michell Clamp, Marantz 20B Analog FM Tuner, Pioneer SACD, Onkyo DX-6800 CD Transport, DIY 24B/192K DAC, Sennheiser HD-300 Headphones, Headroom Max Balanced Headphone Amp, DIY Silver Interconnects

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        • #5
          Of course I'm biased, but I happen to think the SP-10 MKII is a great table.
          Micro Seiki SX-8000 table with flywheel, SME 3012R arm, SME 312S arm, Lyra Etna SL and Dynavector XV-1S cartridges, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 tape deck, Ampex 350 repros, Roon Nucleus Plus server, PS Audio DSJ DAC, ARC Ref 6 pre, ARC Ref 75 amp, JBL 4345 speakers, and Def Tech Ref subs.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JCOConnell View Post
            I have a Kenwood KD-500 DD turntable that I use to play mono records only that sounds outstanding. Its the one with the faux granite plinth. DD turntables can sound excellent if the design is good.
            Had two with Infinity arms. Sold both arms and gave one away to a friend but still have one. It's a good starter DD turntable with SME tonearm cutout.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mep View Post
              Of course I'm biased, but I happen to think the SP-10 MKII is a great table.

              Agree and SP-10MK3 is even better now that I understand how it works.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post
                Vintage brought back to life? Is there a better example than this turntable?

                http://www.soundfountain.com/amb/sp10page.html

                Direct-drive turntable were once the pariah of high-end audio and are now seeing a rebirth with Dobbin's The Beat, VPI, Brinkmann, etc. (in fact, it was Steve Dobbin's table that turned me back onto DD turntables.)As we get older, it's obvious that dogmas are there to be overturned.

                I was trying to find Mark's review of Peter Norbaeck's power supply for positive-feedback but can't for the life of me find it. Maybe Mark can provide it!
                The SP10MK3 on Sound Fountain is one of mine. I was very early convert to SP10 MK2 and SP10 MK3, moved from Walker Black Diamond Proscenium with latest power supply and arm.

                I’ve experimented with various materials in designing the plinth, about 2003 with Lenco and Thorens then in 2007, the Technics versions.

                Someone mentioned power supply. Oddly enough changes I’ve made to original design often result in poor performance. I had Bill Thalmann build a huge oversize supply that I thought would change my world. It did, but not in a good way. The original SP10 transformer is best sounding while other parts such as resistors, caps, rectifiers, diodes and fuses are all upgrades that improved sound.

                All the power supplies I have rebuilt have IEC connector and choice of AC cord is very audible, at least in my system.

                Last, the power supply for MK2 and MK3 are sensitive to where you place them and what footer you choose. After lots of listening my favorite is Stillpoints Mini under MK3 supply, sitting on Vibraplane.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Albert Porter View Post

                  The SP10MK3 on Sound Fountain is one of mine. I was very early convert to SP10 MK2 and SP10 MK3, moved from Walker Black Diamond Proscenium with latest power supply and arm.

                  I’ve experimented with various materials in designing the plinth, about 2003 with Lenco and Thorens then in 2007, the Technics versions.

                  Someone mentioned power supply. Oddly enough changes I’ve made to original design often result in poor performance. I had Bill Thalmann build a huge oversize supply that I thought would change my world. It did, but not in a good way. The original SP10 transformer is best sounding while other parts such as resistors, caps, rectifiers, diodes and fuses are all upgrades that improved sound.

                  All the power supplies I have rebuilt have IEC connector and choice of AC cord is very audible, at least in my system.

                  Last, the power supply for MK2 and MK3 are sensitive to where you place them and what footer you choose. After lots of listening my favorite is Stillpoints Mini under MK3 supply, sitting on Vibraplane.
                  Tell me why an AC cord makes a difference what with a filtered PS, etc. for the table's motor? Not questioning your observation because I've heard it for years with my VPI, just why???

                  Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                  Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                  ________________________________________

                  -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
                  -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
                  -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                  -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
                  -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                  -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                  -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                  -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                  -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                  -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mep View Post
                    Of course I'm biased, but I happen to think the SP-10 MKII is a great table.
                    Mep if you like the sp-10 you should see what they have done with TT this century it will blow you away

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                    • #11
                      Though the picture is from my system five years ago and most everything has changed since then, I still have my SP-15 (sitting in a closet now). The SP-15 isn't an SP-10 but it's fairly close in design and performs and sounds fantastic:

                      Mike
                      Avanti Audio

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Garth View Post

                        Mep if you like the sp-10 you should see what they have done with TT this century it will blow you away

                        Please post a picture. The only pictures I have seen look like an SL-1200.
                        Micro Seiki SX-8000 table with flywheel, SME 3012R arm, SME 312S arm, Lyra Etna SL and Dynavector XV-1S cartridges, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 tape deck, Ampex 350 repros, Roon Nucleus Plus server, PS Audio DSJ DAC, ARC Ref 6 pre, ARC Ref 75 amp, JBL 4345 speakers, and Def Tech Ref subs.

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                          Please post a picture. The only pictures I have seen look like an SL-1200.
                          Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
                          Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
                          ________________________________________

                          -Magico S5 Mk.2 speakers with SPod feet
                          -Goldmund Telos 280 stereo amp
                          -Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier
                          -Doshi V3.0 phonostage
                          -VPI Vanquish direct-drive turntable
                          -VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy dual pivot tonearm, VPI 12-inch 3D Fat Boy gimballed and SAT LM-12 arm
                          -Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, Fuuga, vdh Colibri Master Signature, MutechHayabusa, MOFI Master Tracker, Sumiko Songbird cartridges
                          -Technics RS1506 with Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi V3.0 tape stage (balanced)
                          -Assorted cables including Transparent XL Gen. 5, Skogrand, Viero, Kubala-Sosna, Audience Au24SX, Genesis Advanced Technologies and Ensemble Power Cords
                          -Accessories including Stillpoint Aperture panels, Cathedral Sound panels, Furutech NCF Nano AC receptacles; Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC, Symposium ISIS and SRA Craz racks, Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Symposium Ultra and assorted SRA platforms.

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                          • #14
                            Still have my Kenwood KD-500 picked-up in the mid/late 70's with a black Grace 707 mounted with an ADC XLM Mk II(?). Don't know what happened to the cart.
                            Vbr,

                            Sam

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                            • #15
                              Pretty tt
                              Vbr,

                              Sam

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