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  • #16
    Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post
    A new inexpensive ultrasonic record cleaning machine from Ex-Canadian Charles Kirmuss. Priced at $795, the new Kirmuss Audio record cleaning machine takes up to 4 records (2x33, 1x45, 1x78) at once taking roughly a total time of 5 minutes to clean an album.
    Intriguing. Website needs some serious editing, and there's not nearly enough detail about the unit itself. Still, the price makes it interesting. $800 for a self-contained unit? Pretty reasonable, depending on operation specs. I'd be interested to know more.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Packgrog View Post
      I spend about that long, per record, though that's during dedicated cleaning time where I'm able to do other things while a record is in the 24-minute ultrasonic bath. Seems that he goes a step or two beyond what I do these days (ultrasonic with TergiKleen without pre-clean, followed by 2 rinse/vacuum passes on an RCM). I've had limited luck with diy enzymatic dilution, and only had good results with AIVS No 15, and not sure what his drying process might be. Nice setup there, though. Looks very effective, particularly for large scale, being able to do so many at once. Very nice.
      Steve has quite an involved process. I always wondered about temperature and enzyme action; the folks at AVIS said temperature makes no difference. Apparently it does according to Steve. And he has played with various temperatures balancing enzyme action against record damage.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Packgrog View Post
        Intriguing. Website needs some serious editing, and there's not nearly enough detail about the unit itself. Still, the price makes it interesting. $800 for a self-contained unit? Pretty reasonable, depending on operation specs. I'd be interested to know more.
        I was offered one for review and am trying to figure out how could fit it into my schedule.
        Myles B. Astor, PhD, Administrator
        Senior Editor, Positive-Feedback.com
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        • #19
          Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post
          Steve has quite an involved process. I always wondered about temperature and enzyme action; the folks at AVIS said temperature makes no difference. Apparently it does according to Steve. And he has played with various temperatures balancing enzyme action against record damage.
          I've tried Sporocidin Enzymatic diluted down, and it didn't ultimately do much for me (smelled nice, though). AIVS No. 15 worked very well with a vacuum RCM before I got my ultrasonic tank, but I never tried heated fluid on the RCM. My ultrasonic solution is heated to about 105F, but that's it.

          Again, it looks like he's got a good approach going. I'm in no way criticizing it. If anything, I'm curious to know more about his approach, and how I might integrate some of that into my own DIY setup (Wisconsin is pretty far, and I already have similar gear!). It seems he may have been able to take a more scientific approach than I can as well. Very interesting indeed!

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          • Perfect Vinyl Forever
            Editing a comment
            Hey Packgrog. I'll address enzymes in a PVF thread I created in the record cleaning forum. See link below.

        • #20
          Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post
          A new inexpensive ultrasonic record cleaning machine from Ex-Canadian Charles Kirmuss. Priced at $795, the new Kirmuss Audio record cleaning machine takes up to 4 records (2x33, 1x45, 1x78) at once taking roughly a total time of 5 minutes to clean an album.





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          Myles.......That is a very attractive price point for an ultra sonic record cleaning machine. I wonder how noisy it is.
          Dan

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          • MylesBAstor
            MylesBAstor commented
            Editing a comment
            Excellent question. He wasn't cleaning records when I dropped by Sunday AM. Also how heavy duty is it? How many LPs can be cleaned in a row?

        • #21
          Myles,
          I agree with Dan in that it is a very nice looking unit and for $800.00 Canadian I would hope as he is Canadian is he not. By the way what do you mean,"Ex-Canadian"? Don't you know that once one IS a Canadian one cannot undo that which brought us to that ever so humble state of Canadianism!!?? Hum not sure that is a word, well I just made it a word.
          Nice work sir in bringing all of this wonderful information to us on this forum.
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          • MylesBAstor
            MylesBAstor commented
            Editing a comment
            Meant from Montreal now Living now in Colorado. 😎

        • #22
          It was $795 USD. He is an Ex- Canadian. Also the unit does not dry the records. That is for you to do manually. Save your Spin Clean towels...
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          • #23
            Great photos, Myles!

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            • #24
              Steve is a nice guy.
              Hugh Nguyen
              ACA

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            • #25
              Myles, thanks for this wonderful virtual transportation to Axpona! We live it vicariously through you!
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              • #26
                Hello Everyone, thanks for the kind feedback. It was nice to meet Myles at the show. I'd like to contribute to the knowledge base here at AudioNirvana and address some of the comments raised about PVF, our process and our equipment. But, instead of taking this thread waaay off topic, I created a new thread in the record cleaning forum. Feel free to follow up there and ask anything that come to mind. I'm quite open about what I've learned and am willing to share, with just a few trade secrets as exceptions.

                Link to Perfect Vinyl Forever topic
                Hello All. Miles met us during AXPONA 2018 and featured a few photos of our booth in his day #3 review. Several questions were asked so I thought I'd open a

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                • #27
                  Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post
                  A new inexpensive ultrasonic record cleaning machine from Ex-Canadian Charles Kirmuss. Priced at $795, the new Kirmuss Audio record cleaning machine takes up to 4 records (2x33, 1x45, 1x78) at once taking roughly a total time of 5 minutes to clean an album.




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                  Really great pictures Myles! One of these years I'll make it to Axpona, either as an individual or as Record Genie, but until then looking at your pictures is very informative, almost like being there!

                  I'm always excited to see new ultrasonic record cleaner options, but after checking out the Kirmuss Audio website, there are a few things to note:

                  1 - I read "At a <MAP price of $850" on their website, but not sure what that means as relates to an actual selling price.

                  2 - It's a 35khz unit, which is low as others have mentioned.. Audio Desk and Klaudio run at 40khz or higher. Degritter's new machine is 120khz. Elma P60H tanks can do 37khz or 80khz.

                  3 - Any provision for cooling the cleaning solution? As demonstrated by early Klaudio units (and their "S" cleaner) it will be a problem if cleaning more than a few records at a safe temperature without any cooling.

                  4 - Any filtering for the cleaning solution? Another important aspect to getting consistently good cleaning results.

                  Hopefully Kirmuss Audio will update their website to give more information: https://www.kirmussaudio.com/ultraso...n-system-.html

                  Here's a section about the KA-RC-1 that I found particularly interesting:

                  "THE TEAM: After 3 years of extensive research and trials audiophile and business owner Charles Kirmuss and recognized turntable restoration expert Dr. Eric Watson developed an affordable, simple to use system. With cUl and UL/CE Electrical and Safety Approvals our affordable system will increase your listening pleasure by removing most of those annoying unwanted pops and crackling sounds from both new and old records. This is not some home-made product. With Patents both issued and pending, ware also sure that You will be very pleased with the results and benefit from many years of satisfaction with our revolutionary ultrasonic based cleaner."

                  It's not clear who holds the patent(s) or UL/CE approvals mentioned above, but Kirmuss Audio may be selling "more sizzle than sausage" since their version appears to be an iSonic P4875 tank with a "custom made" record holder insert that avoids the need for a rotisserie arrangement. Plus they've also put a cute "DJ bunny" sticker on the front!

                  iSonic offers an RCM version using the same 35khz tank, but with rotisserie record holder, it retails for $780: http://www.isonicinc.com/motorized-u...record-cleaner

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