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    The NFL donesn't care about the players; only settling lawsuits. This is just comedic based on the most recent CTE studies. The NFL and all levels of football need to address the long term impact (NPI) of head injuries. Especially among youngsters playing the sport whose brains are most vulnerable.

    Would you let your children or grandchildren play the sport knowing what we know now?

    The league's $30 million deal with the National Institutes of Health to study CTE is dissolving in acrimony.
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    Just like the auto companies, say Ford with the Pinto and its exploding gas tank, it's cheaper to settle the law suits than to fix the problem.

    I heard someone predict that in 10 years the NFL will be all black players because other parents will no longer let their kids play football in high school. Would you?
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    • #3
      I'm just surprised that someone hasn't developed a safer helmet yet.
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      • Rust
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        Safer helmet designs have been around for decades. They just didn't look all cool and shiny to put team logos on.

    • #4
      As tough a sport as hockey is and how much I loved that my kid played for years, I would never let him play football. His high school tried to recruit him to take it up as a free safety (or some defensive position), but he turned them down. But then, we saw players get full college scholarships for playing in less than 10 total games for this high school. Crazy how that worked. They played in what was listed by MaxPreps as the highest ranked high school league on the nation.
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      • #5
        The league has a $30 million deal? The owners pay a top player that much for one year.
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        • #6
          The NFL isn't about to kill their cash cow no matter how many current and former players are showing/suffering the effects of CTE. It's like the tobacco industry in that no matter how many become ill from smoking they have done and will continue whatever they have to to protect that cash cow at all costs.


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          • #7
            Originally posted by cpp View Post
            The NFL isn't about to kill their cash cow no matter how many current and former players are showing/suffering the effects of CTE. It's like the tobacco industry in that no matter how many become ill from smoking they have done and will continue whatever they have to to protect that cash cow at all costs.

            Maybe but thought they already had enough bad press about how they tried to destroy the career of the doctor who uncovered CTE. There was even a movie about the league' antics and coverup. And the class action lawsuit by the NFL Players Union.
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            • #8
              I'm not sure if better helmets will change much, the injuries are from the motion of the brain during hard hits. That said my nephew had a short NFL career and suffers from depression that is drug resistant. This is not covered by the NFL settlement. That said he is doing quite well these days.

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              • #9
                For those that like to read, League of Denial: The NFL, Concussions and the Battle for Truth Hardcover – October 8, 2013

                https://www.amazon.com/League-Denial.../dp/0770437540

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                • #10
                  What's the difference between Football & Rugby? Pro Boxing? Injuries are par of the course even in non-contact sports like Gymnastics and art forms like Ballet, have you watched Xtreme sports? People also choose to climb sheer rocks and swim with sharks but no one seems to care about any of that but in the case of NFL you have a wealthy target that lawyers can sue, I have no sympathy! No one is forced to play football and these guys get paid millions and tens of millions to play with a stupid ball knowing that they can get hurt and so what? The blame game is American malaise and personal responsibility now not even a concept. I have ZERO sympathy for these overgrown babies and their lawyers when millions of people around the world risk life and limb for few dollars a day because they really have no other choice.

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                  • rockitman
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                    Make them sign waivers. Don't want to risk head injury, don't play.

                  • david k
                    david k commented
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                    They have all kinds of waivers signed but they can always plead ignorance and find a judge somewhere to ignore the facts.

                    david

                • #11
                  Originally posted by david k View Post
                  What's the difference between Football & Rugby? Pro Boxing? Injuries are par of the course even in non-contact sports like Gymnastics and art forms like Ballet, have you watched Xtreme sports? People also choose to climb sheer rocks and swim with sharks but no one seems to care about any of that but in the case of NFL you have a wealthy target that lawyers can sue, I have no sympathy! No one is forced to play football and these guys get paid millions and tens of millions to play with a stupid ball knowing that they can get hurt and so what? The blame game is American malaise and personal responsibility now not even a concept. I have ZERO sympathy for these overgrown babies and their lawyers when millions of people around the world risk life and limb for few dollars a day because they really have no other choice.

                  david
                  Because there is a BIG difference between pushing the envelope on human performance and COVERING up the dangers within the sport. And it is false equivalence comparing a rotator cuff injury in volleyball, an ankle injury in gymnastics, a torn ACL in another sport and brain injury. That is what the NFL did. Like the tobacco industry tried to do. Yes, anyway who smokes today knowing what they know about the dangers of smoking has to take personal responsibility. But certainly not in the days before the risks were known. Same goes for football.

                  Granted the NFL has recently tried to address head injuries but is it enough? The NFL like any sport has to take responsibility for injuries and the sport's dangers.

                  Millions of dollars? Maybe the very best but suggest looking at the average salary. It certainly isn't like the average salary in baseball or basketball. Not even close. Have you looked at the career lifespan of NFL players? 3-5 years.

                  So so basically you are saying that if a company manufactures a defective product, it is the consumer's fault for buying it if they are unaware of the danger?
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                  • #12
                    Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post
                    So so basically you are saying that if a company manufactures a defective product, it is the consumer's fault for buying it if they are unaware of the danger?
                    This isn't a defective product that blows up or people unknowingly ingesting addictive and destructive chemicals without their knowledge, football is an aggressive contact sports like rugby and boxing that people are involved in since childhood, possibility of getting seriously hurt is a given and basic common sense. All those players throughout the years and these guys never saw anyone get hurt? Anyway now they know, how many are walking away? Call me cynic, let's take the money compensation off the table and see how many are still interested.

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                    • #13
                      I hope the NFL continues to work harder on protecting players, but the PLAYERS also have to embrace it. Even now that college football has targeting rules that call for ejection, players still do it and act proud of the hits that cause the ejections. It has to be the whole of football that works toward making the sport as safe as it can reasonably be.

                      I love football. I played it in high school (no concussions I know of), and have been a huge fan ever since. I truly hope that it continues, but I worry. I would be very sad if there were no more football, so I hope that the league, players, and science all keep working to try to make it as safe a sport as possible.
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                      • #14
                        Originally posted by david k View Post

                        This isn't a defective product that blows up or people unknowingly ingesting addictive and destructive chemicals without their knowledge, football is an aggressive contact sports like rugby and boxing that people are involved in since childhood, possibility of getting seriously hurt is a given and basic common sense. All those players throughout the years and these guys never saw anyone get hurt? Anyway now they know, how many are walking away? Call me cynic, let's take the money compensation off the table and see how many are still interested.

                        david
                        You keep ignoring the difference between ordinary athletic injuries that come from pushing the body to its max (for instance 70-80% of ACL tears in women athletes are of non-contact variety) and brain trauma. Brain trauma was covered up and the data suppressed by the NFL. Concussions-the injury that contributes to brain trauma-is no laughing matter and the sport has to do its best to mitigate and monitor its occurrence. Gone are the days when getting your bell rung is laughed off. Also gone are the days when sideline monitoring of these issues is a joke. And there are more athletes leaving the sport because of the fear of long term brain injury. Besides you are saying being a vegetable, suffering from depression and a host of other maladies is a small price to pay for money?

                        Sorry I don't see it that way and why you don't think the NFL should make the sport safer for its athletes. It is after all a workplace and if you knew something could cause potential injuries at a factory, it would be corrected. No difference here.
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                        • #15
                          Originally posted by MylesBAstor View Post

                          You keep ignoring the difference between ordinary athletic injuries that come from pushing the body to its max (for instance 70-80% of ACL tears in women athletes are of non-contact variety) and brain trauma. Brain trauma was covered up and the data suppressed by the NFL. Concussions-the injury that contributes to brain trauma-is no laughing matter and the sport has to do its best to mitigate and monitor its occurrence. Gone are the days when getting your bell rung is laughed off. Also gone are the days when sideline monitoring of these issues is a joke. And there are more athletes leaving the sport because of the fear of long term brain injury. Besides you are saying being a vegetable, suffering from depression and a host of other maladies is a small price to pay for money?

                          Sorry I don't see it that way and why you don't think the NFL should make the sport safer for its athletes. It is after all a workplace and if you knew something could cause potential injuries at a factory, it would be corrected. No difference here.
                          I don't ignore it Myles but difference here is that everyone knows that this is a rough full contact sport where one will get hit and hit very hard by guys the size of Ram trucks, risk of serious injury paralysis and even death is a given and no one is forced into it. I have nothing against more safety at a realistic level if that's what they want what I can't support is the blame game and the lawsuits.

                          Coming back to factory injuries, safety is important but in America they've even taken things beyond reason in some cases in America, but that's only my opinion. There still is a difference there risk of injury isn't always obvious and accidents do happen with football you know it's a high risk the 1st time you play the game.

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